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David,
The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want. Not every pol=
e but...
They are all over at least out in CA. It can add 200 miles in only 20 minu=
tes and they put them
right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc. The big d=
isplay on the dash tells you
when you need a charge and directs you in. It gives options and it knows i=
f there will be any
wait or anything. Pretty impressive. The future is here.
Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a Tesla=
...
Gary
> On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Hey, Ron:
>=20
> I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this i=
s largely theoretical for me.
>=20
> I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole. Seriously. Travell=
ing between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip o=
ut my credit card, get information on what that particular electricity prov=
ider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a receipt. =
Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper on each pho=
ne-pole charger is kept full. =F0=9F=98=89
>=20
> Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric=
utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; c=
onventional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole ch=
argers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.
>=20
> There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessi=
ng your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. =
=F0=9F=98=81
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> Best Regards
>=20
> David Sosna
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>=20
> On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:
>=20
> > >=20
> > I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla re=
p stated that there were several different engine sounds in the controller =
including Ferrari and more were being developed. Alright, a Prius with Fe=
rrari engine sound.
> >=20
> >=20
> > I think Borla found a niche for those who just can=E2=80=99t be=
without the latest electronic gismo. Borla will make a profit until the =
craze evaporates or a government body says NO more please.
> >=20
> >=20
> > Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sal=
e of petrol engine by 2035. My 1st question would be how many of those po=
liticians own an EV now? My guess, few.
> >=20
> >=20
> > IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering =
the consequences. The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are =
not ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for prime tim=
e and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees F, I=
=E2=80=99m not interested. Regional Transit here has some EV buses and if=
it get too cold they can=E2=80=99t use them, the range drops too far. =20
> >=20
> >=20
> > I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.
> >=20
> >=20
> > EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but co=
untry folks drive longer distances for everything including work. Some of=
those EV=E2=80=99s are going to leave people stranded in the winter unless=
they put a charging station on every telephone pole.
> >=20
> >=20
> > Ron Fraser
> >=20
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> > From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> mailto:tigers-boun=
ces@autox.team.net On Behalf Of GARY WINBLAD
> > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM
> > To: Jim B <jbsyv@yahoo.com> mailto:jbsyv@yahoo.com ; Jim B via =
Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net> mailto:tigers@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one aske=
d...
> >=20
> >=20
> > This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some peop=
le just don't adapt
> >=20
> > to modern technology.
> >=20
> > Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that=
the power grid won't support
> >=20
> > all of them.
> >=20
> > Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to=
worry about this one.
> >=20
> > Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel =
charged electricity. All
> >=20
> > our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets=
70MPG on trips, great
> >=20
> > transportation device!
> >=20
> > 73,
> >=20
> > Gary
> >=20
> > Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I cou=
ld build one myself. The
> >=20
> > Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, scree=
ching sounder to warm blind
> >=20
> > pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 b=
urble would be so much
> >=20
> > better.
> >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <tigers@autox.team=
.net mailto:tigers@autox.team.net > wrote:
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as =
stupid as stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that =E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D peo=
ple are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an app=
roaching EV. From experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150=
. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. We will p=
robably replace my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the near future=
. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the juice required =
and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never trav=
el far enough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us=
California guys, speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone be=
fore there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it w=
ill probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I=
have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford j=
ust to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.=20
> > >=20
> > > With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound =
idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could b=
e a hoot. AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the=
spokes of my bicycle as a kid!=20
> > >=20
> > > JMHO
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> > > Cheers
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> > > Jim B
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cindiver@gmail.com mailto:jd.sencindiver@gmail.com > wrote:
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> > > > Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get instal=
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> > > > > Just what every EV owner needs...
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> > > > > Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric V=
ehicles https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electri=
c-vehicles/
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David,
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The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want. =
Not every pole but...
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"default-style">
They are all over at least out in CA. It can add 200 miles in only=
20 minutes and they put them
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"default-style">
right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc. T=
he big display on the dash tells you
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"default-style">
when you need a charge and directs you in. It gives options and it=
knows if there will be any
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"default-style">
wait or anything. Pretty impressive. The future is here.
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"default-style">
Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a Te=
sla...
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"default-style">
Gary
<br>
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<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net&=
gt; wrote:
</div>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<p>Hey, Ron:</p>
<p>I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this i=
s largely theoretical for me.</p>
<p>I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole. Seriously.&nbs=
p; Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone po=
le, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular electr=
icity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a=
receipt. Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt pa=
per on each phone-pole charger is kept full. =F0=9F=98=89</p>
<p>Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric=
utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; c=
onventional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole ch=
argers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.<br></p>
<p>There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessi=
ng your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. =
=F0=9F=98=81</p>
<p>Best Regards</p>
<p>David Sosna</p>
<p><br></p>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">
On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to=
me the Borla rep stated that there were several different engine sounds in=
the controller including Ferrari and more were being developed.  =
; Alright, a Prius with Ferrari engine sound.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think Borla found a niche for those who just =
can=E2=80=99t be without the latest electronic gismo. Borla wil=
l make a profit until the craze evaporates or a government body says NO mor=
e please.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Seems to me California and New York have alread=
y banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035. My 1<sup>st</sup> q=
uestion would be how many of those politicians own an EV now? M=
y guess, few.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 with=
out considering the consequences. The power grid is not ready, =
the charging stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not t=
otally ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is speci=
fied for 20 degrees F, I=E2=80=99m not interested. Regional Tra=
nsit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can=E2=80=99t use t=
hem, the range drops too far. </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow =
country.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clea=
r the air but country folks drive longer distances for everything including=
work. Some of those EV=E2=80=99s are going to leave people str=
anded in the winter unless they put a charging station on every telephone p=
ole.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0p=
t; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers <a href=3D"mail=
to:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net" class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><tiger=
s-bounces@autox.team.net></a> <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>GARY WINBLAD=
<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM<br><strong>To:<=
/strong> Jim B <a href=3D"mailto:jbsyv@yahoo.com"; class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc=
2396E"><jbsyv@yahoo.com></a>; Jim B via Tigers <a href=3D"mailto:tige=
rs@autox.team.net" class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><tigers@autox.team.ne=
t></a><br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] The answer to a questio=
n that no one asked...</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This same thing happened when horses became ob=
solete, some people just don't adapt</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">to modern technology.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nothing wrong with electric cars except the pr=
ice and fear that the power grid won't support</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">all of them.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (=
unfortunately) to worry about this one.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime runnin=
g on solar panel charged electricity. All</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">our local trips can be done with the 30 mile r=
anged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">transportation device!</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">73,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gary</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thin=
king of how I could build one myself. The</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound o=
f scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up =
with that, a V8 burble would be so much</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">better.</p>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <<a=
class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tige=
rs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;">Okay, here =
is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did&=
nbsp;hear somewhere that =E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are worrie=
d about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. F=
rom experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people =
step into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replac=
e my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already h=
ave a solar array designed to make up for the juice required and I pla=
n to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far en=
ough in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us Californ=
ia guys, speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone before=
there is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will =
probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I hav=
e to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just =
to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm. </=
span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;">With all t=
hat said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV driv=
ers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have t=
o admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my=
bicycle as a kid! </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;">JMHO</span=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;">Cheers</sp=
an></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;">Jim B</spa=
n></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br></p>
<blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindive=
r <<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:jd.sencindiver@gmai=
l.com">jd.sencindiver@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system =
get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor T=
rend TV).</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <<a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:sabre2tgr@gmail.com";>sabre2t=
gr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">Ju=
st what every EV owner needs... </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">&n=
bsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"><a=
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.borla.com/products/active-performanc=
e-sound-for-electric-vehicles/" rel=3D"noopener">Borla Active Performance S=
ound for Electric Vehicles</a> </span></p>
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