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Gary, we prototyped an Aussie Ford factory part (I think Thomo found it, or=
iginally) on my car, along with a Centerforce clutch. After six years and t=
housands of miles (my car gets driven a lot), it continues to work flawless=
ly. What I really like is how linear/smooth it feels. I've also run annular=
TO bearings on numerous formula cars I've raced with good reliability.=C2=
=A0I hadn't heard Tom wasn't using them anymore. Wonder why?=C2=A0
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net>
To: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>
Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 1:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue
Mike,Which one did you go with?Paul R. told me Tom doesn=E2=80=99t recommen=
d them anymore?It seems like a great solution to me.=C2=A0=C2=A0Everyone al=
ways points out how hard it isto replace it when it goes bad but it would=
=C2=A0be a lot easier than the one in my C5 and Idid have to do that but it=
lasted 120K.Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On May 28, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFThis whole discussion is part of the reason why I went to an annul=
ar throwout bearing on my car a number of years ago. The other reason was I=
just didn't like the affect all the external slave/arm geometry creates. I=
've been very happy with the change.=C2=A0
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
To: 'Gary' <garywinblad@comcast.net>; tigers@autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue
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Gary
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80=
=99re not going anywhere.
=C2=A0
Your spring with the stock clip is excellent but what if something unexpect=
ed happens.
Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens, m=
any things can happen out on the road.
=C2=A0
Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the=
clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed.
Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just=
there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its ne=
eded.
=C2=A0
Ron Fraser
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue
=C2=A0
I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the =
rod to the clutch arm,
and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way fo=
r it to fall out.
And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing.
Gary
On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:
Jerry
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire on =
the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a position it could=
fall.
=C2=A0
If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car.
I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this sho=
uld prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car.=20
=C2=A0
Ron Fraser
=C2=A0
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jerry Christopher=
son
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue
=C2=A0
Thanks for the ideas from all of you.=C2=A0 The issue of a longer push rod =
(which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out=
bearing just so far.=C2=A0 Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (whi=
ch I don=E2=80=99t want of course).=C2=A0 Today I received my order from S.=
S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have improved the is=
sue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livab=
le. I let someone talk me into a =C2=A0RAM clutch, should have gone with a =
Centerforce maybe?=C2=A0 Rick from S. S. said people have had good luck wit=
h them. =C2=A0=C2=A0I=E2=80=99m now of the feeling if you aren=E2=80=99t ra=
cing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger. =C2=A0Th=
e idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is t=
hat it will make the peddle force higher.=C2=A0 Another issue is how far ca=
n one allow the slave=C2=A0 piston to travel without coming out of the cyli=
nder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual).=
=C2=A0 Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out a=
nother .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the end =
of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!
Thanks again for your responses!=C2=A0 Jerry
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<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:b=
lack;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">Gary, we prototyped an Aussie Ford factory part (I think Thom=
o found it, originally) on my car, along with a Centerforce clutch. After s=
ix years and thousands of miles (my car gets driven a lot), it continues to=
work flawlessly. What I really like is how linear/smooth it feels. I've al=
so run annular TO bearings on numerous formula cars I've raced with good re=
liability. </div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:10pt;color:black;">I hadn't heard Tom wasn't using them anymore. =
Wonder why? <br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Gary <g=
arywinblad@comcast.net><br>To: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com><b=
r>Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net<br>Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 1:01 pm<br>Subject: =
Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue<br><br></div><div id=3D"yiv5687852743"><div>Mike,=
<div>Which one did you go with?</div><div>Paul R. told me Tom doesn=E2=80=
=99t recommend them anymore?</div><div>It seems like a great solution to me=
.</div><div> Everyone always points out how hard it is</div><div=
>to replace it when it goes bad but it would</div><div> be a lot easie=
r than the one in my C5 and I</div><div>did have to do that but it lasted 1=
20K.</div><div>Gary</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"no=
ne"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=
=3D"yiv5687852743yqt8876927357" id=3D"yiv5687852743yqtfd53948"><br clear=3D=
"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 28, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Michael Wood =
<mwood24020@aol.com> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></bl=
ockquote></div></div><div class=3D"yiv5687852743yqt8876927357" id=3D"yiv568=
7852743yqtfd36696"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div=
style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color:bla=
ck;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">This whole discussion is part of the reason why I went to an =
annular throwout bearing on my car a number of years ago. The other reason =
was I just didn't like the affect all the external slave/arm geometry creat=
es. I've been very happy with the change. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">F=
rom: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net><br clear=3D"none">=
To: 'Gary' <garywinblad@comcast.net>; tigers@autox.team.net<br clear=
=3D"none">Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am<br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [T=
igers] Clutch issue<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"y=
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#yiv5687852743 </style><div><div class=3D"yiv5687852743WordSection1"><p cla=
ss=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">Gary</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">&=
nbsp; &nbs=
p; My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80=
=99re not going anywhere.</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"> </p=
><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">Your spring with the stock clip is exc=
ellent but what if something unexpected happens.</p><p class=3D"yiv56878527=
43MsoNormal">Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degra=
de happens, many things can happen out on the road.</p><p class=3D"yiv56878=
52743MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">Call it safe=
ty wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the clutch rod =
is not lost and I have to be towed.</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">=
Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just=
there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its ne=
eded.</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"yiv5687=
852743MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"> <=
/p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"> </p><div class=3D"yiv56878527=
43yqt3361986894" id=3D"yiv5687852743yqt93097"><div><div style=3D"border:non=
e;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"yi=
v5687852743MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net=
> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28=
, 2021 10:10 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> tigers@autox.team.net<br clear=
=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue</p></div></div><p class=
=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">I've never heard of safety wire but if you =
have the stock clip to hold the rod to the clutch arm,<br clear=3D"none">an=
d you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way for =
it to fall out.<br clear=3D"none">And you will get max stroke and save the =
throwout bearing.<br clear=3D"none">Gary<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"non=
e"></p><div><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron F=
raser wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt;"><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">Jerry</p><p class=3D"yiv56878527=
43MsoNormal"> &n=
bsp; I always recommend that everyone should put sa=
fety wire on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a posi=
tion it could fall.</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"> </p><p cla=
ss=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">If the clutch rod falls out your basically a =
tow it away car.</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">I think I have a sa=
fety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this should prevent the rod=
from ever totally leaving the car. </p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"=
> </p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p><p class=3D"yi=
v5687852743MsoNormal"> </p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:s=
olid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"yiv5687852743Mso=
Normal"><b>From:</b> Tigers <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";><tigers-bounces@autox.te=
am.net></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jerry Christopherson<br clear=3D"none"><=
b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Tige=
r Autox <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:TIGERS@AUTOX.=
TEAM.NET"><TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET></a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</=
b> [Tigers] Clutch issue</p></div></div><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"=
> </p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Thanks for the ideas from all of you. Th=
e issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can onl=
y go up against the throw out bearing just so far. Right now I=E2=80=
=99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2=80=99t want of course). Tod=
ay I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it=
seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tomorro=
w to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone talk me into a RAM cl=
utch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick from S. S. said=
people have had good luck with them. I=E2=80=99m now of the fe=
eling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than =
enough for the Tiger. The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) maste=
r also suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher.&nbs=
p; Another issue is how far can one allow the slave piston to travel =
without coming out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip l=
ike it shoes in the manual). Mine has a max movement of around 1.350,=
The piston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of t=
he piston .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!</sp=
an></p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;=
font-family:sans-serif;">Thanks again for your responses! Jerry</span=
></p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"no=
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