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Mike,
Which one did you go with?
Paul R. told me Tom doesn=E2=80=99t recommend them anymore?
It seems like a great solution to me.
Everyone always points out how hard it is
to replace it when it goes bad but it would
be a lot easier than the one in my C5 and I
did have to do that but it lasted 120K.
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 28, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com> wrote:
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> This whole discussion is part of the reason why I went to an annular throw=
out bearing on my car a number of years ago. The other reason was I just did=
n't like the affect all the external slave/arm geometry creates. I've been v=
ery happy with the change.=20
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
> To: 'Gary' <garywinblad@comcast.net>; tigers@autox.team.net
> Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue
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> Gary
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> My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80=
=99re not going anywhere.
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> =20
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> Your spring with the stock clip is excellent but what if something unexpec=
ted happens.
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> Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens, m=
any things can happen out on the road.
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> =20
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> Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what th=
e clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed.
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> Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is jus=
t there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its ne=
eded.
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> Ron Fraser
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> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Gary
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM
> To: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue
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> =20
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> I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the=
rod to the clutch arm,
> and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way f=
or it to fall out.
> And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing.
> Gary
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> On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:
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> Jerry
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> I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire on=
the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a position it could=
fall.
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> =20
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> If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car.
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> I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this sh=
ould prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car.
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> =20
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> Ron Fraser
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> =20
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> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jerry Christophe=
rson
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM
> To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
> Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue
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> =20
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> Thanks for the ideas from all of you. The issue of a longer push rod (whi=
ch I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out bear=
ing just so far. Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2=
=80=99t want of course). Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for t=
he master and slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll t=
ry driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone ta=
lk me into a RAM clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick f=
rom S. S. said people have had good luck with them. I=E2=80=99m now of the=
feeling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more tha=
n enough for the Tiger. The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master al=
so suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher. Another=
issue is how far can one allow the slave piston to travel without coming o=
ut of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in t=
he manual). Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come o=
ut another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the e=
nd of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!
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> Thanks again for your responses! Jerry
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Mike,<div>Which one did you go with?</div><=
div>Paul R. told me Tom doesn=E2=80=99t recommend them anymore?</div><div>It=
seems like a great solution to me.</div><div> Everyone always po=
ints out how hard it is</div><div>to replace it when it goes bad but it woul=
d</div><div> be a lot easier than the one in my C5 and I</div><div>did h=
ave to do that but it lasted 120K.</div><div>Gary</div><div><br></div><div><=
br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite">On May 28, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol=
.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;color:black;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif=
;font-size:10pt;color:black;">This whole discussion is part of the reason wh=
y I went to an annular throwout bearing on my car a number of years ago. The=
other reason was I just didn't like the affect all the external slave/arm g=
eometry creates. I've been very happy with the change. <br><br><br>----=
-Original Message-----<br>From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.=
net><br>To: 'Gary' <garywinblad@comcast.net>; tigers@autox.team.net=
<br>Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue<br=
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#yiv4255645540 </style><div><div class=3D"yiv4255645540WordSection1"><p clas=
s=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Gary</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">&nb=
sp; &=
nbsp; My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80=99re n=
ot going anywhere.</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> </p><p clas=
s=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Your spring with the stock clip is excellent bu=
t what if something unexpected happens.</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNorma=
l">Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens,=
many things can happen out on the road.</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNorm=
al"> </p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Call it safety wire or te=
ther wire, I want to make sure not matter what the clutch rod is not lost an=
d I have to be towed.</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Safety wire is u=
sually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just there with no te=
nsion or flexing, its just along for the ride until its needed.</p><p class=3D=
"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Ron =
Fraser</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"yiv4255=
645540MsoNormal"> </p><div class=3D"yiv4255645540yqt3361986894" id=3D"=
yiv4255645540yqt93097"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1=
E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"><b>=
From:</b> Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>G=
ary<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM<br clear=3D=
"none"><b>To:</b> tigers@autox.team.net<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re=
: [Tigers] Clutch issue</p></div></div><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> &=
nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"=
>I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the r=
od to the clutch arm,<br clear=3D"none">and you add a return spring to the c=
lutch arm, there isn't much of a way for it to fall out.<br clear=3D"none">A=
nd you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing.<br clear=3D"none">=
Gary<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></p><div><p class=3D"yiv4255645540=
MsoNormal">On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:</p></div><blockquote styl=
e=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNorm=
al">Jerry</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> &nb=
sp; I always rec=
ommend that everyone should put safety wire on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just=
in case the rod gets into a position it could fall.</p><p class=3D"yiv42556=
45540MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">If the clutch r=
od falls out your basically a tow it away car.</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540M=
soNormal">I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork;=
this should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car. </p><p class=
=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Ro=
n Fraser</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> </p><div><div style=3D=
"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p c=
lass=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers <a rel=3D"nofollow noope=
ner noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.n=
et" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";><tige=
rs-bounces@autox.team.net></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jerry Christopherson<b=
r clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM<br clear=3D"none=
"><b>To:</b> Tiger Autox <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailt=
o:TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET"><TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET></a><br clear=3D"none"=
><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Clutch issue</p></div></div><p class=3D"yiv4255645=
540MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:14.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Thanks for the ideas from all of yo=
u. The issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that y=
ou can only go up against the throw out bearing just so far. Right now=
I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2=80=99t want of course).&nb=
sp; Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) a=
nd it seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tom=
orrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone talk me into a RAM=
clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe? Rick from S. S. sa=
id people have had good luck with them. I=E2=80=99m now of the f=
eeling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than e=
nough for the Tiger. The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master a=
lso suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher. A=
nother issue is how far can one allow the slave piston to travel witho=
ut coming out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it=
shoes in the manual). Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The pi=
ston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of the pisto=
n .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!</span></p><p=
class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-famil=
y:sans-serif;">Thanks again for your responses! Jerry</span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></p><pre=
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