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For sure, there's been some trial and error in getting the hydraulic TO bea=
ring set up right over the last 20 years or so. But, once dialed in, I beli=
eve it is a much better solution. I've never liked the slave/lever arm thro=
w out deal, although it works much better with a diaphragm clutch than the =
old three finger long style.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net>
To: Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>; Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>
Cc: tigers@autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue
Hi Theo!
Interesting.=C2=A0 Steve Wickland has the McLeod in his Tiger.=C2=A0 He ha=
s been complaining about it for some time, I forget but I think his is caus=
ing
the clutch to slip.=C2=A0 Tom Hall recommended to use hard line and fittin=
gs because the McLeod swivel ones leak (IIRC).
Gary
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On 5/28/2021 7:55 PM, Theo Smit wrote:
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I ended up making an anti-rotation bracket that located the McLeod throwout=
bearing and kept it from pulling on the swivel fittings. Without that, the=
fittings would leak a bit of fluid every time you applied the clutch with =
the engine running.=C2=A0 Theo=20
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> wrote:
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=EF=BB=BF Gary, the McLeod in "Blue" (Tom's med blue car) is still going =
strong after 25 years, so I'm not sure why he bailed. I think it is mostly =
because he's had no complaints about the Tilton and likes doing the convers=
ion using their 7/8" master.=C2=A0=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net>
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 6:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue
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Thanks Mike,
Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to the fittings...
Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did not recommend their=
part for use in Tigers!
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Tilton..=C2=A0 or are there any more details on your Australian job?
Gary
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I just talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending use of a hydr=
aulic/annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod piece, only Tilton, =
these days.=C2=A0=20
Mike
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Christopherson <JCMC2006@suddenlink.net>
To: Tiger Autox <TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue
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Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch and cylinder ki=
ts didn=E2=80=99t solve my problem) and thought I would pass on info for an=
ybody that is interested.
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The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the floo=
r movement of the clutch peddle is .745=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 The measure of the =
piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the very fro=
nt of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before is 1.35=E2=
=80=9D, so that leaves approximately .605=E2=80=9D more potential movement =
to apply to the clutch arm.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m hoping the .700 Girling maste=
r cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can only hope.=
=C2=A0 HA!=C2=A0 If not I=E2=80=99ll pull the engine and tranny again and g=
et a CF clutch.=C2=A0 As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly m=
odified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular TO bear=
ing and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very =
interested in why TH doesn=E2=80=99t like them anymore.
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<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:b=
lack;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">For sure, there's been some trial and error in getting the hy=
draulic TO bearing set up right over the last 20 years or so. But, once dia=
led in, I believe it is a much better solution. I've never liked the slave/=
lever arm throw out deal, although it works much better with a diaphragm cl=
utch than the old three finger long style.</div><div style=3D"font-family:a=
rial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br><br><br>-----Ori=
ginal Message-----<br>From: Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net><br>To: The=
o Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>; Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com><br>Cc=
: tigers@autox.team.net<br>Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:28 pm<br>Subject: Re: =
[Tigers] Clutch issue<br><br></div><div id=3D"yiv0105590537"><div>
Hi Theo!<br clear=3D"none">
Interesting. Steve Wickland has the McLeod in his Tiger. He=
has
been complaining about it for some time, I forget but I think his is
causing<br clear=3D"none">
the clutch to slip. Tom Hall recommended to use hard line and
fittings because the McLeod swivel ones leak (IIRC).<br clear=3D"none">
Gary<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv0105590537yqt6361014013" id=3D"yiv0105590537yqt47971">=
<div class=3D"yiv0105590537moz-cite-prefix">On 5/28/2021 7:55 PM, Theo Smit=
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
</blockquote></div></div><div class=3D"yiv0105590537yqt6361014013" id=
=3D"yiv0105590537yqt09577"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">I ended up making an anti-=
rotation bracket that
located the McLeod throwout bearing and kept it from pulling on
the swivel fittings. Without that, the fittings would leak a bit
of fluid every time you applied the clutch with the engine
running. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Theo</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 28, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Michael
Wood via Tigers <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"=
rect" class=3D"yiv0105590537moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>&l=
t;tigers@autox.team.net></a> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-s=
erif;color:black;">
<div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-siz=
e:10pt;color:black;">Gary,
the McLeod in "Blue" (Tom's med blue car) is still going
strong after 25 years, so I'm not sure why he bailed. I
think it is mostly because he's had no complaints about
the Tilton and likes doing the conversion using their 7/8"
master. </div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-siz=
e:10pt;color:black;"><br clear=3D"none">
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e:10pt;color:black;"><br clear=3D"none">
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-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Gary <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" class=3D"yiv0105590537moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:garywin=
blad@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net"=
><garywinblad@comcast.net></a><br clear=3D"none">
To: <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" cl=
ass=3D"yiv0105590537moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@auto=
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Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 6:50 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
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<div> Thanks Mike,<br clear=3D"none">
Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to
the fittings...<br clear=3D"none">
Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did
not recommend their part for use in Tigers!<br clear=3D"non=
e">
<br clear=3D"none">
Tilton.. or are there any more details on your
Australian job?<br clear=3D"none">
Gary<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv0105590537yqt5127846552" id=3D"yiv01055905=
37yqt00869">
<div class=3D"yiv0105590537moz-cite-prefix">On 5/28/2021
5:22 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers wrote:<br clear=3D"non=
e">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"> </blockquote>
</div>
</div>
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yqt56906">
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<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, helvetica=
, sans-serif;color:black;">
<div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
font-size:10pt;color:black;">I just
talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending
use of a hydraulic/annular TO bearing. But, he
won't use the McLeod piece, only Tilton, these
days. </div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
font-size:10pt;color:black;">Mike<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Jerry Christopherson <a rel=3D"nofollow noopene=
r noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv0105590537moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" y=
mailto=3D"mailto:JCMC2006@suddenlink.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:=
JCMC2006@suddenlink.net"><JCMC2006@suddenlink.net></a><br clear=3D"no=
ne">
To: Tiger Autox <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferre=
r" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv0105590537moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:TIGERS@AUTOX.=
TEAM.NET"><TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET></a><br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue<br clear=3D"none">
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easuring
today (by the way the new clutch and
cylinder kits didn=E2=80=99t solve my problem=
) and
thought I would pass on info for anybody
that is interested.</span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv0105590537MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Arial', 'sans-serif';">The actual amount =
of
movement of the slave cylinder with a full
to the floor movement of the clutch peddle
is .745=E2=80=9D. The measure of the pi=
ston
movement from the very back to when the
piston comes to the very front of the
cylinder (not protruding) is like I
mentioned before is 1.35=E2=80=9D, so that le=
aves
approximately .605=E2=80=9D more potential
movement to apply to the clutch arm. I=
=E2=80=99m
hoping the .700 Girling master cylinder I
just ordered will take up just that
amount. I can only hope. HA! If n=
ot I=E2=80=99ll
pull the engine and tranny again and get a
CF clutch. As for a annular TO bearing,
my friend has a highly modified Mazda with
a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a
annular TO bearing and it works very well
with the stock master cylinder. I would be
very interested in why TH doesn=E2=80=99t lik=
e
them anymore.</span></p>
<p class=3D"yiv0105590537MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Arial', 'sans-serif';">Jerry </span=
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