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Any chance of fabricating a complete replacement in steel? Would not last a=
s long, but if thick enough would do the job=2E=2E=2E
On 8 November 2021 16:59:49 GMT, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail=2Ecom> wrote:
>Thanks, guys=2E (And, thanks for the =E2=80=9CCO=E2=80=9D correction=2E =
I guess just too much talk about CO2 in the news these days=2E)
>
>I will confirm this tonight, but my guess is that there is no one around =
who could handle the job if my brother-in-law doesn=E2=80=99t know anyone=
=2E (He is a local with deep, deep ties to the area=2E) I will discuss it=
again with him and my daughter and we=E2=80=99ll try to find a safe soluti=
on=2E If I can, I will persuade them to just bite the bullet and replace i=
t=2E Truth be told, it is really the boyfriend=E2=80=99s house and he has =
spent a small fortune on things that show, like the kitchen and bathrooms, =
but been more stingy with something like this that he can=E2=80=99t see=2E =
I may just have to try to convince him that this is more important and, fa=
iling that, patch it and then keep working on him=2E
>
>Jim=20
>
>> On Nov 8, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live=2Ecom> wrote:
>>=20
>> It needs to be replaced, but in the interim an important question is wh=
ether the crack closes up when it gets hot=2E I had a split manifold on a =
car that was not visible=2E I could clearly hear it when cold, but closed =
up as the manifold heated up and expanded=2E When it was finally replace, =
the crack was clearly visible=2E
>> =20
>> This, being and older home, is likely somewhat drafty=2E This is not b=
ad right now=2E Regardless, if they continue to use it, additional CO moni=
tors would definitely be a good idea=2E
>> =20
>> I suspect high temp goo might work out, but prepare for the worst=2E
>> =20
>> Jack
>> =20
>> From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox=2Eteam=2Enet> On Behalf Of Jim=
Stone
>> Sent: Monday, November 8, 2021 8:18 AM
>> To: Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud=2Ecom>
>> Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=2Enet>
>> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ancient furnace with cracked manifold
>> =20
>> Thanks, Pat=2E You are correct that a replacement is unavailable=2E T=
he furnace is just too old=2E As for having it welded, I should add that m=
y brother-in-law - who lives nearby and is an engineer with tons of local t=
rade contacts - looked at it and concluded that trying to remove it for wel=
ding was not a good option=2E Surprisingly, he did not tell her to replace=
the system immediately, which was surprising as he is someone who generall=
y errs on the side of caution in matters like this=2E It has been a while =
since he looked at it (they have owned if for a year but not lived in it do=
to other extensive renovations) but I will also call him to discuss it=2E
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Nov 8, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud=2Ecom <mailto=
:patintexas@icloud=2Ecom>> wrote:
>> =20
>> Jim, you hit on most of what I was thinking=2E At a MINIMUM I=E2=80=99d=
add a second CO detector=2E=20
>> =20
>> I assume a replacement manifold is unavailable=2E You might take your p=
hotos around to some welders to get their opinions & prices=2E=20
>> =20
>> The cost of repairs or replacement are nowhere as dear as losing someon=
e to a faulty furnace=2E=20
>> =20
>> Peace,
>> Pat
>>=20
>> Pat Horne=20
>> We support Habitat for Humanity
>> =20
>>=20
789alpine@gmail=2Ecom>> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFMy daughter and her boyfriend have bought a turn of the centur=
y house with an ancient coal-fired furnace that was long ago converted to n=
atural gas=2E It works fine and they=E2=80=99d like to put off replacing i=
t for as long as possible while they invest their money in other parts of t=
he house=2E However, the furnace has a cast iron exhaust manifold that is =
cracked pretty badly and it scares the hell out of me=2E Following are som=
e screenshots from a video she sent me, starting with the overall exhaust=
=2E
>> =20
>> <Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10=2E19=2E11 AM=2Epng>
>> =20
>> You can see the top of the manifold in the lower right=2E Here is a si=
de view:
>> =20
>> <Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10=2E12=2E34 AM=2Epng>
>> =20
>> The orange goop was applied by a furnace tech they hired, who said he r=
eally shouldn=E2=80=99t have touched it at all but did what he could=2El=2E=
However, here is a shot just below the goop:
>> =20
>> <Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10=2E13=2E09 AM=2Epng>
>> =20
>> And, a shot from the other side:
>> =20
>> <Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10=2E27=2E00 AM=2Epng>
>> =20
>> As you can see - assuming the photos come through - the manifold is tot=
ally shot, although it feels solid and doesn=E2=80=99t appear to be in dang=
er of falling off=2E In theory, it could be removed and taken someplace th=
at does cast iron welding, but I suspect that would be a royal pain and not=
guaranteed to succeed=2E She has a CO2 detector in the basement, but I wi=
ll be visiting her next week and want to try to do more=2E =E2=80=9CMore=
=E2=80=9D might be trying to convince them to bite the bullet and replace t=
he system immediately, but I have also thought about treating it like an au=
tomotive exhaust system and trying to patch it to get them by for a season =
or two=2E What are the group's thoughts on something like JB Weld High Hea=
t putty (https://www=2Eamazon=2Ecom/J-B-Weld-8297-HighHeat-Degree/dp/B007PP=
26RI/ref=3Dpd_bxgy_2/138-6104268-8394138?pd_rd_w=3DnQ3PU&pf_rd_p=3Dc64372fa=
-c41c-422e-990d-9e034f73989b&pf_rd_r=3D2F076DNFFJBZ1G9PK3TY&pd_rd_r=3D623d1=
e00-f712-4380-897c-474fe9ee6337&pd_rd_wg=3D1YSqH&pd_rd_i=3DB007PP26RI&psc=
=3D1 <https://www=2Eamazon=2Ecom/J-B-Weld-8297-HighHeat-Degree/dp/B007PP26R=
I/ref=3Dpd_bxgy_2/138-6104268-8394138?pd_rd_w=3DnQ3PU&pf_rd_p=3Dc64372fa-c4=
1c-422e-990d-9e034f73989b&pf_rd_r=3D2F076DNFFJBZ1G9PK3TY&pd_rd_r=3D623d1e00=
-f712-4380-897c-474fe9ee6337&pd_rd_wg=3D1YSqH&pd_rd_i=3DB007PP26RI&psc=3D1>=
) and/or their high heat wrap (https://www=2Eamazon=2Ecom/dp/B00N582CBY/ref=
=3Demc_b_5_t <https://www=2Eamazon=2Ecom/dp/B00N582CBY/ref=3Demc_b_5_t>)?
>> =20
>> Thanks,
>> Jim (and Sara)
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=
=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: s=
pace; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Any chance of fabricating =
a complete replacement in steel? Would not last as long, but if thick enoug=
h would do the job=2E=2E=2E<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 8 November=
2021 16:59:49 GMT, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail=2Ecom> wrote:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=2E8ex; border-left=
: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Thanks, guys=2E (And, thanks for the =E2=80=9CCO=E2=80=9D correction=
=2E I guess just too much talk about CO2 in the news these days=2E)<d=
iv class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I will confirm this toni=
ght, but my guess is that there is no one around who could handle the job i=
f my brother-in-law doesn=E2=80=99t know anyone=2E (He is a local wit=
h deep, deep ties to the area=2E) I will discuss it again with him an=
d my daughter and we=E2=80=99ll try to find a safe solution=2E If I c=
an, I will persuade them to just bite the bullet and replace it=2E Tr=
uth be told, it is really the boyfriend=E2=80=99s house and he has spent a =
small fortune on things that show, like the kitchen and bathrooms, but been=
more stingy with something like this that he can=E2=80=99t see=2E I =
may just have to try to convince him that this is more important and, faili=
ng that, patch it and then keep working on him=2E</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Jim <br class=3D""><div><br class=3D"=
"><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Nov 8, 2021, at 1=
1:29 AM, Jack Brooks <<a href=3D"mailto:JIBrooks@live=2Ecom"; class=3D"">=
JIBrooks@live=2Ecom</a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newl=
ine"><div class=3D""><meta charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><div class=3D"WordS=
ection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-famil=
y: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: norma=
l; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-ind=
ent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -we=
bkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; c=
olor: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class=3D"">It needs to be replaced, but in the inter=
im an important question is whether the crack closes up when it gets hot=2E=
I had a split manifold on a car that was not visible=2E I coul=
d clearly hear it when cold, but closed up as the manifold heated up and ex=
panded=2E When it was finally replace, the crack was clearly visible=
=2E<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size:=
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-si=
ze: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: rgb(0, 32=
, 96);" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"m=
argin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", s=
erif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class=3D"">This, being and older home, is lik=
ely somewhat drafty=2E This is not bad right now=2E Regardless,=
if they continue to use it, additional CO monitors would definitely be a g=
ood idea=2E<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; fo=
nt-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D=
"font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: r=
gb(0, 32, 96);" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></div><div st=
yle=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" cla=
ss=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman&=
quot;, serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class=3D"">I suspect high temp goo mi=
ght work out, but prepare for the worst=2E<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></di=
v><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-se=
rif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times N=
ew Roman", serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-fa=
mily: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font=
-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class=
=3D"">Jack<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; fon=
t-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"=
font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: rg=
b(0, 32, 96);" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></div><div cla=
ss=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt;=
border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><d=
iv style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;=
" class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&=
nbsp;</span>Shop-talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox=2Eteam=
=2Enet" class=3D"">shop-talk-bounces@autox=2Eteam=2Enet</a>><span class=
=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=3D"">On Behalf Of<span cla=
ss=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jim Stone<br class=3D""><b cl=
ass=3D"">Sent:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday=
, November 8, 2021 8:18 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span class=
=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Pat Horne <<a href=3D"mailto:pat=
intexas@icloud=2Ecom" class=3D"">patintexas@icloud=2Ecom</a>><br class=
=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </sp=
an>Shop Talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=2Enet"; class=3D""=
>shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=2Enet</a>><br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:<=
/b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Shop-talk] Ancie=
nt furnace with cracked manifold<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><di=
v style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"=
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; fo=
nt-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Thanks, Pat=2E=
You are correct that a replacement is unavailable=2E The furna=
ce is just too old=2E As for having it welded, I should add that my b=
rother-in-law - who lives nearby and is an engineer with tons of local trad=
e contacts - looked at it and concluded that trying to remove it for weldin=
g was not a good option=2E Surprisingly, he did not tell her to repla=
ce the system immediately, which was surprising as he is someone who genera=
lly errs on the side of caution in matters like this=2E It has been a=
while since he looked at it (they have owned if for a year but not lived i=
n it do to other extensive renovations) but I will also call him to discuss=
it=2E<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div styl=
e=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=
=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><blockquote=
style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D""><div class=3D"">=
<div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-seri=
f;" class=3D"">On Nov 8, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Pat Horne <<a href=3D"mailto=
:patintexas@icloud=2Ecom" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;=
" class=3D"">patintexas@icloud=2Ecom</a>> wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></=
div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,=
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div class=3D"">=
<div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-seri=
f;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Jim, you hit on most of what I was thinking=2E At a=
MINIMUM I=E2=80=99d add a second CO detector=2E </span><o:p class=3D"=
"></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; f=
ont-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=
=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font=
-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"f=
ont-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I assum=
e a replacement manifold is unavailable=2E You might take your photos aroun=
d to some welders to get their opinions & prices=2E <o:p class=3D"=
"></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-=
size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p cla=
ss=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin=
: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span=
style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=
=3D"">The cost of repairs or replacement are nowhere as dear as losing some=
one to a faulty furnace=2E <o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><d=
iv class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cali=
bri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-famil=
y: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></=
div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-=
family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt=
; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Peace,<o:p class=3D""></o=
:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margi=
n: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D=
"">Pat<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin=
: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span=
style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=
=3D"">Pat Horne <o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><di=
v style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"=
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, san=
s-serif;" class=3D"">We support Habitat for Humanity<o:p class=3D""></o:p><=
/span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11p=
t; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-=
serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-se=
rif;" class=3D""><br class=3D"">On Nov 8, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Jim Stone <<=
a href=3D"mailto:1789alpine@gmail=2Ecom"; style=3D"color: blue; text-decorat=
ion: underline;" class=3D"">1789alpine@gmail=2Ecom</a>> wrote:<o:p class=
=3D""></o:p></span></p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; fon=
t-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"=
font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF=
</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-ser=
if;" class=3D"">My daughter and her boyfriend have bought a turn of the cen=
tury house with an ancient coal-fired furnace that was long ago converted t=
o natural gas=2E It works fine and they=E2=80=99d like to put off rep=
lacing it for as long as possible while they invest their money in other pa=
rts of the house=2E However, the furnace has a cast iron exhaust mani=
fold that is cracked pretty badly and it scares the hell out of me=2E  =
;Following are some screenshots from a video she sent me, starting with the=
overall exhaust=2E<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" c=
lass=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-=
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div clas=
s=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-fam=
ily: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; f=
ont-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><Screen Shot 2021-11-08 a=
t 10=2E19=2E11 AM=2Epng><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><=
div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Cal=
ibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-fami=
ly: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span><=
/div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5p=
t; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">You can see the top of t=
he manifold in the lower right=2E Here is a side view:<o:p class=3D""=
></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-s=
ize: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p clas=
s=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" c=
lass=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-=
serif;" class=3D""><Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10=2E12=2E34 AM=2Epng><=
o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D=
"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"=
"><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><=
div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif=
;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, s=
ans-serif;" class=3D"">The orange goop was applied by a furnace tech they h=
ired, who said he really shouldn=E2=80=99t have touched it at all but did w=
hat he could=2El=2E However, here is a shot just below the goop:<o:p class=
=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; f=
ont-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=
=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o=
:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"=
"><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-se=
rif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica=
, sans-serif;" class=3D""><Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10=2E13=2E09 AM=2Ep=
ng><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div s=
tyle=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" cl=
ass=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-s=
erif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=
=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, san=
s-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helve=
tica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">And, a shot from the other side:<o:p class=3D=
""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font=
-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"f=
ont-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p cl=
ass=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><di=
v style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"=
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, san=
s-serif;" class=3D""><Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10=2E27=2E00 AM=2Epng>=
;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=
=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=
=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-seri=
f;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D=
""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-s=
erif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetic=
a, sans-serif;" class=3D"">As you can see - assuming the photos come throug=
h - the manifold is totally shot, although it feels solid and doesn=E2=80=
=99t appear to be in danger of falling off=2E In theory, it could be =
removed and taken someplace that does cast iron welding, but I suspect that=
would be a royal pain and not guaranteed to succeed=2E She has a CO2=
detector in the basement, but I will be visiting her next week and want to=
try to do more=2E =E2=80=9CMore=E2=80=9D might be trying to convince=
them to bite the bullet and replace the system immediately, but I have als=
o thought about treating it like an automotive exhaust system and trying to=
patch it to get them by for a season or two=2E What are the group's =
thoughts on something like JB Weld High Heat putty (<a href=3D"https://www=
=2Eamazon=2Ecom/J-B-Weld-8297-HighHeat-Degree/dp/B007PP26RI/ref=3Dpd_bxgy_2=
/138-6104268-8394138?pd_rd_w=3DnQ3PU&pf_rd_p=3Dc64372fa-c41c-422e-990d-=
9e034f73989b&pf_rd_r=3D2F076DNFFJBZ1G9PK3TY&pd_rd_r=3D623d1e00-f712=
-4380-897c-474fe9ee6337&pd_rd_wg=3D1YSqH&pd_rd_i=3DB007PP26RI&p=
sc=3D1" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">https=
://www=2Eamazon=2Ecom/J-B-Weld-8297-HighHeat-Degree/dp/B007PP26RI/ref=3Dpd_=
bxgy_2/138-6104268-8394138?pd_rd_w=3DnQ3PU&pf_rd_p=3Dc64372fa-c41c-422e=
-990d-9e034f73989b&pf_rd_r=3D2F076DNFFJBZ1G9PK3TY&pd_rd_r=3D623d1e0=
0-f712-4380-897c-474fe9ee6337&pd_rd_wg=3D1YSqH&pd_rd_i=3DB007PP26RI=
&psc=3D1</a>) and/or their high heat wrap (<a href=3D"https://www=2Eama=
zon=2Ecom/dp/B00N582CBY/ref=3Demc_b_5_t" style=3D"color: blue; text-decorat=
ion: underline;" class=3D"">https://www=2Eamazon=2Ecom/dp/B00N582CBY/ref=3D=
emc_b_5_t</a>)?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><di=
v style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"=
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, san=
s-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div cl=
ass=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: He=
lvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Thanks,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div>=
</div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-fami=
ly: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10=2E5pt; fo=
nt-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Jim (and Sara)<o:p class=3D""=
></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-s=
ize: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 10=2E5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p clas=
s=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:=
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
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