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To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> 2903e8d5c8f:6.0.425,18.0.790,17.0.607.475.0000000 definitions=2021-11-08_05:2021-11-08_01,2021-11-08_05,2020-04-07_01 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2111080099
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ancient furnace with cracked manifold
From: Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2021 10:05:29 -0600
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Jim, you hit on most of what I was thinking. At a MINIMUM I=E2=80=99d add a s=
econd CO detector.=20

I assume a replacement manifold is unavailable. You might take your photos a=
round to some welders to get their opinions & prices.=20

The cost of repairs or replacement are nowhere as dear as losing someone to a=
 faulty furnace.=20

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Nov 8, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFMy daughter and her boyfriend have bought a turn of the century hou=
se with an ancient coal-fired furnace that was long ago converted to natural=
 gas.  It works fine and they=E2=80=99d like to put off replacing it for as l=
ong as possible while they invest their money in other parts of the house.  H=
owever, the furnace has a cast iron exhaust manifold that is cracked pretty b=
adly and it scares the hell out of me.  Following are some screenshots from a=
 video she sent me, starting with the overall exhaust.

<Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.19.11 AM.png>

You can see the top of the manifold in the lower right.  Here is a side view=
:

<Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.12.34 AM.png>

The orange goop was applied by a furnace tech they hired, who said he really=
 shouldn=E2=80=99t have touched it at all but did what he could.l. However, h=
ere is a shot just below the goop:

<Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.13.09 AM.png>

And, a shot from the other side:

<Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.27.00 AM.png>

As you can see - assuming the photos come through - the manifold is totally s=
hot, although it feels solid and doesn=E2=80=99t appear to be in danger of f=
alling off.  In theory, it could be removed and taken someplace that does ca=
st iron welding, but I suspect that would be a royal pain and not guaranteed=
 to succeed.  She has a CO2 detector in the basement, but I will be visiting=
 her next week and want to try to do more.  =E2=80=9CMore=E2=80=9D might be t=
rying to convince them to bite the bullet and replace the system immediately=
, but I have also thought about treating it like an automotive exhaust syste=
m and trying to patch it to get them by for a season or two.  What are the g=
roup's thoughts on something like JB Weld High Heat putty (https://www.amazo=
n.com/J-B-Weld-8297-HighHeat-Degree/dp/B007PP26RI/ref=3Dpd_bxgy_2/138-610426=
8-8394138?pd_rd_w=3DnQ3PU&pf_rd_p=3Dc64372fa-c41c-422e-990d-9e034f73989b&pf_=
rd_r=3D2F076DNFFJBZ1G9PK3TY&pd_rd_r=3D623d1e00-f712-4380-897c-474fe9ee6337&p=
d_rd_wg=3D1YSqH&pd_rd_i=3DB007PP26RI&psc=3D1) and/or their high heat wrap (h=
ttps://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N582CBY/ref=3Demc_b_5_t)?

Thanks,
Jim (and Sara)




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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Jim, you hit on most of what I was thinking=
. At a MINIMUM I=E2=80=99d add a second CO detector.&nbsp;<div><br></div><di=
v>I assume a replacement manifold is unavailable. You might take your photos=
 around to some welders to get their opinions &amp; prices.&nbsp;</div><div>=
<br></div><div>The cost of repairs or replacement are nowhere as dear as los=
ing someone to a faulty furnace.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Peace,</div>=
<div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for H=
umanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Nov 8, 2021, at 9:=
58 AM, Jim Stone &lt;1789alpine@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; chars=
et=3Dutf-8">My daughter and her boyfriend have bought a turn of the century h=
ouse with an ancient coal-fired furnace that was long ago converted to natur=
al gas. &nbsp;It works fine and they=E2=80=99d like to put off replacing it f=
or as long as possible while they invest their money in other parts of the h=
ouse. &nbsp;However, the furnace has a cast iron exhaust manifold that is cr=
acked pretty badly and it scares the hell out of me. &nbsp;Following are som=
e screenshots from a video she sent me, starting with the overall exhaust.<d=
iv class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div>&lt;Screen Shot 2021=
-11-08 at 10.19.11 AM.png&gt;</div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></di=
v><div class=3D"">You can see the top of the manifold in the lower right. &n=
bsp;Here is a side view:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div clas=
s=3D""><div>&lt;Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.12.34 AM.png&gt;</div></div><di=
v class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The orange goop was applie=
d by a furnace tech they hired, who said he really shouldn=E2=80=99t have to=
uched it at all but did what he could.l. However, here is a shot just below t=
he goop:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div>&lt;=
Screen Shot 2021-11-08 at 10.13.09 AM.png&gt;</div></div><div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">And, a shot from the other side:</div><div=
 class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div>&lt;Screen Shot 2021-1=
1-08 at 10.27.00 AM.png&gt;</div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>=
<div class=3D"">As you can see - assuming the photos come through - the mani=
fold is totally shot, although it feels solid and doesn=E2=80=99t appear to b=
e in danger of falling off. &nbsp;In theory, it could be removed and taken s=
omeplace that does cast iron welding, but I suspect that would be a royal pa=
in and not guaranteed to succeed. &nbsp;She has a CO2 detector in the baseme=
nt, but I will be visiting her next week and want to try to do more. &nbsp;=E2=
=80=9CMore=E2=80=9D might be trying to convince them to bite the bullet and r=
eplace the system immediately, but I have also thought about treating it lik=
e an automotive exhaust system and trying to patch it to get them by for a s=
eason or two. &nbsp;What are the group's thoughts on something like JB Weld H=
igh Heat putty (<a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/J-B-Weld-8297-HighHeat-Deg=
ree/dp/B007PP26RI/ref=3Dpd_bxgy_2/138-6104268-8394138?pd_rd_w=3DnQ3PU&amp;pf=
_rd_p=3Dc64372fa-c41c-422e-990d-9e034f73989b&amp;pf_rd_r=3D2F076DNFFJBZ1G9PK=
3TY&amp;pd_rd_r=3D623d1e00-f712-4380-897c-474fe9ee6337&amp;pd_rd_wg=3D1YSqH&=
amp;pd_rd_i=3DB007PP26RI&amp;psc=3D1" class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/J-B-=
Weld-8297-HighHeat-Degree/dp/B007PP26RI/ref=3Dpd_bxgy_2/138-6104268-8394138?=
pd_rd_w=3DnQ3PU&amp;pf_rd_p=3Dc64372fa-c41c-422e-990d-9e034f73989b&amp;pf_rd=
_r=3D2F076DNFFJBZ1G9PK3TY&amp;pd_rd_r=3D623d1e00-f712-4380-897c-474fe9ee6337=
&amp;pd_rd_wg=3D1YSqH&amp;pd_rd_i=3DB007PP26RI&amp;psc=3D1</a>) and/or their=
 high heat wrap (<a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N582CBY/ref=3Demc_b=
_5_t" class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N582CBY/ref=3Demc_b_5_t</a>)?<=
/div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div c=
lass=3D"">Jim (and Sara)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div clas=
s=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D=
""><br class=3D""></div><span>______________________________________________=
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