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To: <josef-eckert@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Recent 100M on BAT
From: <rfbegani@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 05:06:32 -0500
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Dear Josef:

=20

Your comments are the same in the USA especially in Florida where there =
are large numbers of retired people.  My good friend and President of =
our British Car Club Hermann Schuller formerly of Germany has said that =
younger people want Japanese or European sports cars.  It is the same =
for those who enjoy boating.  Sailors today are 55 to 80 years old.  I =
had to give away my 1967 28-foot sailboat in good condition at our =
summer home on Lake Michigan as younger boaters want speed and comfort.  =
I still have another younger 28-foot sailboat in Punta Gorda, Florida =
and will continue to sail in accordance with the agreement with my wife =
that I will not sail alone. =20

=20

Also, our British Car Club of SW Florida is very large and growing =
thanks to the efforts of Hermann who revived the club.  He is a born =
salesman and a lover of old sports cars.

=20

Regards,

=20

Bob Begani

67 BJ8

=20

=20

=20

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of =
josef-eckert--- via Healeys
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:15 PM
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>; Michael Oritt =
<michael.oritt@gmail.com>
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Recent 100M on BAT

=20

As far as I can see here in Europe, the market for Austin-Healeys and =
comparable vehicles from the 1950s has collapsed extremely. It's like =
the pre-war vehicles. They can no longer keep up with today's traffic =
and on motorways they are quite problematic due to the high traffic =
density and the many trucks that also recklessly swerve to overtake. A =
100M and also a 100 are no longer in demand. The clientele that still =
knows Austin-Healey from her past is almost extinct. Hardly anyone has =
met Donald Healey here. I'm 66 years old now and didn't know him either. =
I saw Geoff once before he died, but we knew Margot quite well, having =
met through friends. But back to the 100M. Hardly anyone here knows the =
difference between a 100 with a LeMans kit and a 100M. All of these are =
then usually offered as 100 Le Mans. If a genuine 100M is actually =
offered, the price is slightly higher than for a comparable 100, but not =
by a factor of 2. Nobody actually pays that here. There is also non who =
would pay 100K$ for a 100 or 100M. But as I said, Austin-Healeys are =
slow sellers and the 3000 BJ8 Ph2 is most in demand because it offers =
just enough comfort. But younger people don't want these old cars at =
all. They are looking for a BMW, Porsche or something else from the 70s =
or 80s that also offers more safety and comfort and that they know from =
their youth. Lower priced british cars like MG Bs are also out. They are =
too expensive compared to a Mazda MX-5, or Jaguar XK8 which are =
definitely the better cars compared.

Btw.: The Austin-Healey clubs here have gotten pretty tired. The =
beautiful events like International healey Weekends that were offered 20 =
years ago are no longer offered in thre former glance for a long time. =
There are hardly any active people willing to do work for the clubs =
anymore. Those who do it are also a good 70 years old and what is then =
done is not really inviting. Many people now stay away from these events =
which are expensive, but not inviting.

=20

Josef Eckert

Germany

=20

=20

=20


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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Dear =
Josef:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Your comments =
are the same in the USA especially in Florida where there are large =
numbers of retired people.=C2=A0 My good friend and President of our =
British Car Club Hermann Schuller formerly of Germany has said that =
younger people want Japanese or European sports cars.=C2=A0 It is the =
same for those who enjoy boating.=C2=A0 Sailors today are 55 to 80 years =
old.=C2=A0 I had to give away my 1967 28-foot sailboat in good condition =
at our summer home on Lake Michigan as younger boaters want speed and =
comfort.=C2=A0 I still have another younger 28-foot sailboat in Punta =
Gorda, Florida and will continue to sail in accordance with the =
agreement with my wife that I will not sail alone.=C2=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Also, our =
British Car Club of SW Florida is very large and growing thanks to the =
efforts of Hermann who revived the club.=C2=A0 He is a born salesman and =
a lover of old sports cars.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Regards,<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bob =
Begani<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>67 =
BJ8<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Healeys &lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>josef-eckert--- via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 16, =
2023 1:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bob Spidell &lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;; =
Michael Oritt &lt;michael.oritt@gmail.com&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Recent 100M on =
BAT<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>As =
far as I can see here in Europe, the market for Austin-Healeys and =
comparable vehicles from the 1950s has collapsed =
extremely.</span></span><span class=3Dhwtze><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span></span><span class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>It'=
s like the pre-war vehicles.</span></span><span class=3Dhwtze><span =
lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span></span><span class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
y can no longer keep up with today's traffic and on motorways they are =
quite problematic due to the high traffic density and the many trucks =
that also recklessly swerve to overtake.</span></span><span =
class=3Dhwtze><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span></span><span class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>A =
100M and also a 100 are no longer in demand.</span></span><span =
class=3Dhwtze><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span></span><span class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
 clientele that still knows Austin-Healey from her past is almost =
extinct.</span></span><span class=3Dhwtze><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span></span><span class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Har=
dly anyone has met Donald Healey here.</span></span><span =
class=3Dhwtze><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span></span><span class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I'm=
 66 years old now and didn't know him either.</span></span><span =
class=3Dhwtze><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span></span><span class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
saw Geoff once before he died, but we knew Margot quite well, having met =
through friends.</span></span><span class=3Dhwtze><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span></span><span class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>But=
 back to the 100M.</span></span><span class=3Dhwtze><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span></span><span class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Har=
dly anyone here knows the difference between a 100 with a LeMans kit and =
a 100M.</span></span><span class=3Dhwtze><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span></span><span class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>All=
 of these are then usually offered as 100 Le Mans.</span></span><span =
class=3Dhwtze><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span></span><span class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>If =
a genuine 100M is actually offered, the price is slightly higher than =
for a comparable 100, but not by a factor of 2. Nobody actually pays =
that here.</span></span><span class=3Dhwtze><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
There is also non who would pay 100K$ for a 100 or 100M. =
</span></span><span class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>But=
 as I said, Austin-Healeys are slow sellers and the 3000 BJ8 Ph2 is most =
in demand because it offers just enough comfort.</span></span><span =
class=3Dhwtze><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span></span><span class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>But=
 younger people don't want these old cars at all.</span></span><span =
class=3Dhwtze><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span></span><span class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
y are looking for a BMW, Porsche or something else from the 70s or 80s =
that also offers more safety and comfort and that they know from their =
youth. Lower priced british cars like MG Bs are also out. They are too =
expensive compared to a Mazda MX-5, or Jaguar XK8 which are definitely =
the better cars compared.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span class=3Drynqvb><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Btw=
.: The Austin-Healey clubs here have gotten pretty tired. The beautiful =
events like International healey Weekends that were offered 20 years ago =
are no longer offered in thre former glance for a long time. There are =
hardly any active people willing to do work for the clubs anymore. Those =
who do it are also a good 70 years old and what is then done is not =
really inviting. Many people now stay away from these events which are =
expensive, but not inviting.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Jos=
ef Eckert</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin:0in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Ger=
many</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin:0in'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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