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To: Jim Ryan <ryan@jimryan.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] massive oil leak
From: Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2022 09:20:52 -0700
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I agree with changing the filter to one that has a drain back and a bypass.
The WIX 51516 has these features; others may also.

As others have mentioned there are only three places for oil to come out
the back of the engine. The crankshaft, the camshaft and the end of the oil
gallery. None should leak as quickly as yours seems to unless something bad
happened. Unfortunately the rear engine plate must be removed to see where
the source is.

Harold


On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 8:42 AM Jim Ryan <ryan@jimryan.com> wrote:

> Could be. I think I would start with installing a new filter and see what
> happens. Start with the simple solution.
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 10:41 AM dmasucci <dmasucci@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> One clue I see is changing of the filter. If there were a blockage in th=
e
>> filter, would the pressure rise to the point where the oil cannot be
>> contained by a bearing seal?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Galaxy
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Jim Ryan <ryan@jimryan.com>
>> Date: 10/18/22 9:55 AM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Bob Haskell <rchaskell@earthlink.net>
>> Cc: List Healey <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] massive oil leak
>>
>> I dont know, it was fine, changed the oil, went for a drive, lost 4
>> quarts.  So the only things touched were the oil drain plug and filter.
>> Unless the drain plug fell out that much oil that quick had to come from
>> the filter.  Is it the cannister type or spin on?  Can you get under it
>> with the engine running and see anything?  That big a leak should be pre=
tty
>> obvious.
>>
>> If it's a cannister type my money is on the cannister seal.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 6:27 AM Bob Haskell via Healeys <
>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the only sources of engine oil at the rear of the block are the
>>> rear main, the camshaft and the oil gallery.  I'd reinstall the pan,
>>> support the rear of the engine and remove the gearbox and the rear
>>> engine plate.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Bob Haskell
>>> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>>>
>>> On 10/18/22 12:07 AM, healeymanjim wrote:
>>> > have checked all places it could leak.  it is coming from the back of
>>> the motor and leaking out between the motor and trans and the hole in
>>> bottom of bell housing.  dropped pan today to see if possibly oil retur=
n
>>> from rear bearing was plugged up.  removed drain pipe and pushed wire u=
p
>>> into drain from slinger.  could not find any obstruction.  hoping not t=
o
>>> have to remove rear main cap.  only other place i can think of is rear =
of
>>> cam but hard to imagine that much oil leaking from there.  still open t=
o
>>> suggestions.
>>> >
>>> >>   -------Original Message-------
>>> >>   From: Simon Lachlan via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>> >>   To:
>>> >>   Cc: 'Healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>> >>   Subject: Re: [Healeys] massive oil leak
>>> >>   Sent: Oct 16 '22 02:31
>>> >>
>>> >>   Agreed. Anything to do with the oil filter can be very messy
>>> indeed. Done that!
>>> >>   Simon
>>> >>
>>> >>   -----Original Message-----
>>> >>   From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of
>>> Stephen Hutchings via Healeys
>>> >>   Sent: 15 October 2022 23:29
>>> >>   To: healeymanjim <healeymanjim@hansencc.net>
>>> >>   Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
>>> >>   Subject: Re: [Healeys] massive oil leak
>>> >>
>>> >>   Make sure the oil filter is sealed properly=E2=80=A6the trail from=
 a
>>> leaking filter can be misleading.
>>> >>
>>> >>   Stephen, BJ8
>>> >>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I agree with changing=C2=A0the filter to one that has a dr=
ain back and a bypass. The WIX 51516 has these features; others may also.<d=
iv><br></div><div>As others have mentioned there are only three places for =
oil to come out the back of the engine. The crankshaft, the camshaft and th=
e end of the oil gallery. None should leak as quickly as yours seems=C2=A0t=
o unless something bad happened. Unfortunately=C2=A0the rear engine plate m=
ust be removed=C2=A0to see where the source=C2=A0is.<div><br></div><div>Har=
old</div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 8:42 AM Jim Ryan &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:ryan@jimryan.com";>ryan@jimryan.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Could=
 be. I think I would start with installing a new filter and see what happen=
s. Start with the simple solution.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 10:41 AM dmasucci &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmasucci@charter.net"; target=3D"_blank">dmasucci@chart=
er.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">One clue I see is changing of the=
 filter. If there were a blockage in the filter, would the pressure rise to=
 the point where the oil cannot be contained by a bearing seal?</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div id=3D"m_691=
4880543398212059m_-5064598978808091708composer_signature" dir=3D"auto"><div=
 style=3D"font-size:85%;color:rgb(87,87,87)" dir=3D"auto">Sent from my Gala=
xy</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div align=3D"left=
" dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-size:100%;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>-------- Orig=
inal message --------</div><div>From: Jim Ryan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ryan@j=
imryan.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ryan@jimryan.com</a>&gt; <=
/div><div>Date: 10/18/22  9:55 AM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Bob Haskell &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rchaskell@earthlink.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"=
_blank">rchaskell@earthlink.net</a>&gt; </div><div>Cc: List Healey &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; </div><div>Subject: Re: [Healeys] massive oi=
l leak </div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"auto">I dont know, it was fin=
e, changed the oil, went for a drive, lost 4 quarts.=C2=A0 So the only thin=
gs touched were the oil drain plug and filter.=C2=A0 Unless the drain plug =
fell out that much oil that quick had to come from the filter.=C2=A0 Is it =
the cannister type or spin on?=C2=A0 Can you get under it with the engine r=
unning and see anything?=C2=A0 That big a leak should be pretty obvious.<di=
v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If it&#39;s a cannister type my =
money is on the cannister seal.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 6:27=
 AM Bob Haskell via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; r=
el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid=
 rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">I think the only =
sources of engine oil at the rear of the block are the <br>
rear main, the camshaft and the oil gallery.=C2=A0 I&#39;d reinstall the pa=
n, <br>
support the rear of the engine and remove the gearbox and the rear <br>
engine plate.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Bob Haskell<br>
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar<br>
<br>
On 10/18/22 12:07 AM, healeymanjim wrote:<br>
&gt; have checked all places it could leak.=C2=A0 it is coming from the bac=
k of the motor and leaking out between the motor and trans and the hole in =
bottom of bell housing.=C2=A0 dropped pan today to see if possibly oil retu=
rn from rear bearing was plugged up.=C2=A0 removed drain pipe and pushed wi=
re up into drain from slinger.=C2=A0 could not find any obstruction.=C2=A0 =
hoping not to have to remove rear main cap.=C2=A0 only other place i can th=
ink of is rear of cam but hard to imagine that much oil leaking from there.=
=C2=A0 still open to suggestions.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0-------Original Message-------<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0From: Simon Lachlan via Healeys &lt;<a rel=3D"noreferr=
er noreferrer" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">hea=
leys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0To:<br>
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&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0Subject: Re: [Healeys] massive oil leak<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent: Oct 16 &#39;22 02:31<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0Agreed. Anything to do with the oil filter can be very=
 messy indeed. Done that!<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0Simon<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0-----Original Message-----<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0From: Healeys &lt;<a rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" hre=
f=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounc=
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&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent: 15 October 2022 23:29<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0To: healeymanjim &lt;<a rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" =
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&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0Subject: Re: [Healeys] massive oil leak<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0Make sure the oil filter is sealed properly=E2=80=A6th=
e trail from a leaking filter can be misleading.<br>
&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
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