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Although I use them myself I do have one caution regarding the use of solid
core ignition wires.
As Michael Oritt discovered in Targa Newfoundland they can play havoc with
electronics. We encountered problems with our "wired" intercom and
Terratrip rally meter which immediately vanished when we reverted to
suppressor leads.
I have also found that my cell phone will not receive messages or even do
GPS navigation while the engine is running in #174 which has completely
original 62 year old Lucas ignition components.
Michael S
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Simon Lachlan <simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk=
>
wrote:
> Not 100% sure what you mean by =E2=80=9Cthe advance curves are retained=
=E2=80=9D. In the
> 123 you can choose your advance curve.
>
> And I=E2=80=99m sure one of the built in choice approximates to the origi=
nal.
>
> And yes(!), I too have a complete Lucas dizzie in my boot. The correct
> rotor arm, decent old Champion plug caps, bumble bee copper wire. Fitted
> with a Pertronix. Points also carried on longer expeditions. Belt and
> braces!!
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> *From:* Alan Seigrist [mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 04 June 2015 07:33
> *To:* Simon Lachlan
> *Cc:* Bob Spidell; Healey list
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load
>
>
>
> The advantage with Pertonix over 123 is the advance curves are retained
> and also if your pertronix does fry, keeping points in the boot is easy f=
or
> a backup. I have a 123 in my A90 and I keep a full lucas dizzy with
> attached cam driveshaft in the boot, just in case. Call me strange.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Simon Lachlan <
> simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Or get a 123Ignition distributor.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Bo=
b
> Spidell
> *Sent:* 04 June 2015 06:09
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load
>
>
>
> Agree across-the-board. Had same problem with suppressor wires;
> installed copper stranded wires and no problem in 60K miles or so.
>
>
>
> re: "Strongly suggested I install points instead of the Petronics."
> Why? Does he recommend blood-letting and trepanning for headaches? I kn=
ow
> Jeff is an acknowledged expert, but disagree with the points
> recommendation. Name a modern manufacturer--they of the 100K mile
> tuneups--that recommends points? Have (probably) 80K miles on
> Pertronix--with OEM Lucas cap and stranded wires--with no ignition issues
> (save the occasional well-known bad rotor). If you like changing points
> every 5K miles, fine, but it's not the solution to every ignition problem=
.
>
> You need: OEM Lucas distributor cap (if you can find one), stranded coppe=
r
> wire secondary wires, OEM Lucas suppressor plug caps, good plugs, and a
> quality rotor.
>
> Bob
>
> On 6/3/2015 6:33 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
>
> If you are running suppressed modern wires into your standard Lucas cap,
> you can have huge problems, as the graphite type materials they use in
> these don't like connecting to the screw connector in the Lucas cap . Yo=
u
> need to use metal core wires, such as bumble bee wire.
>
>
>
> Also did you check distributor shaft wobble? If your dizzy bushes are
> worn, and you have excessive wobble, you could also be having similar
> problems.
>
>
>
> Lastly, check internal wires/insulating washers in the dizzy make sure it
> is all kosher.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:24 AM, R. Price Lindsay <050.rpl@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Took the BJ8 out today. Changed the plug wire to #6 (there was a visible
> spark last night). The car struggled big time Had to change rotors ever=
y
> 3 miles in order to get the car home. Driving along and all of a sudden
> backfire, black smoke, nothing. Changed the rotor (it was noticeably hot=
)
> and got another 2 or 3 miles out of it. Looked tonight in the dark and t=
he
> visible spark from number 6 plug was not there. Talked to Jeff with
> Advanced Distributors and he suggested it was plug wires. Strongly
> suggested I install points instead of the Petronics. At his suggestion, =
I
> checked the ohm reading on the plug wires and they checked out OK. Still
> wondering if it could be bad gas, I did add a product called =E2=80=9CHea=
t.=E2=80=9D
> Supposed to absorb any water that may be in the gas tank. Not much help,
> so far.
>
> I=E2=80=99m waiting for the plug wires and distributor cap from Moss Moto=
rs to
> show up to install them. Hope that helps but not really convinced it=E2=
=80=99s the
> solution.
>
> Do you guys have any words of wisdom for me?
>
> Price Lindsay
> 67 BJ8
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Although I use them myself I do have one =
caution regarding the use of solid core ignition wires.<br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:=
small">As Michael Oritt discovered in Targa Newfoundland they can play havo=
c with electronics. We encountered problems with our "wired" inte=
rcom and Terratrip rally meter which immediately vanished when we reverted =
to suppressor leads.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I have also found that my ce=
ll phone will not receive messages or even do GPS navigation while the engi=
ne is running in #174 which has completely original 62 year old Lucas ignit=
ion components.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Michael S<br></div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:=
20 AM, Simon Lachlan <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@=
homecall.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk</a>></spa=
n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"pur=
ple" lang=3D"EN-GB"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">=
Not 100% sure what you mean by =E2=80=9Cthe advance curves are retained=E2=
=80=9D. In the 123 you can choose your advance curve.<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> And I=E2=80=99m sure =
one of the built in choice approximates to the original.<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">And yes(!), I too h=
ave a complete Lucas dizzie in my boot. The correct rotor arm, decent old C=
hampion plug caps, bumble bee copper wire. Fitted with a Pertronix. Points =
also carried on longer expeditions. Belt and braces!!<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Simon<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padd=
ing:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang=3D"EN-US"=
>From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma&q=
uot;,"sans-serif"" lang=3D"EN-US"> Alan Seigrist [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">healey.nut@gmail.com</a>=
] <br><b>Sent:</b> 04 June 2015 07:33<br><b>To:</b> Simon Lachlan<br><b>Cc:=
</b> Bob Spidell; Healey list</span></p><div><div class=3D"h5"><br><b>Subje=
ct:</b> Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p></=
div><div><div class=3D"h5"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The advantage with Pertonix over 123 is the adva=
nce curves are retained and also if your pertronix does fry, keeping points=
in the boot is easy for a backup.=C2=A0 I have a 123 in my A90 and I keep =
a full lucas dizzy with attached cam driveshaft in the boot, just in case.=
=C2=A0 Call me strange.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at =
1:42 PM, Simon Lachlan <<a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk"; =
target=3D"_blank">simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u>=
</p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Or get a 12=
3Ignition distributor.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1f497d">Simon</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-=
serif";color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style=
=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&qu=
ot;" lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@auto=
x.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Beh=
alf Of </b>Bob Spidell<br><b>Sent:</b> 04 June 2015 06:09<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team=
.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load</span><u></u><=
u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Agree across-the-board.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 Had same problem with suppressor wires; installed copper stranded=
wires and no problem in 60K miles or so.<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br>re: "Strongly suggested I install points inst=
ead of the Petronics."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Why?=C2=A0 Does he recommend blood-=
letting and trepanning for headaches?=C2=A0 I know Jeff is an acknowledged =
expert, but disagree with the points recommendation.=C2=A0 Name a modern ma=
nufacturer--they of the 100K mile tuneups--that recommends points?=C2=A0 Ha=
ve (probably) 80K miles on Pertronix--with OEM Lucas cap and stranded wires=
--with no ignition issues (save the occasional well-known bad rotor).=C2=A0=
If you like changing points every 5K miles, fine, but it's not the sol=
ution to every ignition problem.<br><br>You need: OEM Lucas distributor cap=
(if you can find one), stranded copper wire secondary wires, OEM Lucas sup=
pressor plug caps, good plugs, and a quality rotor.<br><br>Bob<u></u><u></u=
></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 6/3/2015 6:33 PM,=
Alan Seigrist wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-to=
p:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you are running=
suppressed modern wires into your standard Lucas cap, you can have huge pr=
oblems, as the graphite type materials they use in these don't like con=
necting to the screw connector in the Lucas cap .=C2=A0 You need to use met=
al core wires, such as bumble bee wire. <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also d=
id you check distributor shaft wobble?=C2=A0 If your dizzy bushes are worn,=
and you have excessive wobble, you could also be having similar problems.<=
u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Lastly, check internal wires/insulating w=
ashers in the dizzy make sure it is all kosher.<u></u><u></u></p></div></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:24 AM, R. Price Lindsay <<a href=3D"mail=
to:050.rpl@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">050.rpl@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u>=
</u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Took t=
he BJ8 out today.=C2=A0 Changed the plug wire to #6 (there was a visible sp=
ark last night).=C2=A0 The car struggled big time=C2=A0 Had to change rotor=
s every 3 miles in order to get the car home.=C2=A0 Driving along and all o=
f a sudden backfire, black smoke, nothing.=C2=A0 Changed the rotor (it was =
noticeably hot) and got another 2 or 3 miles out of it.=C2=A0 Looked tonigh=
t in the dark and the visible spark from number 6 plug was not there.=C2=A0=
Talked to Jeff with Advanced Distributors and he suggested it was plug wir=
es.=C2=A0 Strongly suggested I install points instead of the Petronics.=C2=
=A0 At his suggestion, I checked the ohm reading on the plug wires and they=
checked out OK.=C2=A0 Still wondering if it could be bad gas, I did add a =
product called =E2=80=9CHeat.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 Supposed to absorb any water t=
hat may be in the gas tank.=C2=A0 Not much help, so far.<br><br>I=E2=80=99m=
waiting for the plug wires and distributor cap from Moss Motors to show up=
to install them.=C2=A0 Hope that helps but not really convinced it=E2=80=
=99s the solution.<br><br>Do you guys have any words of wisdom for me?<br><=
br>Price Lindsay<br>67 BJ8<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u>=
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