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I just wanted to add my personal experience with original OEM 6 bladed =
fan on my 61BN7. My car was delivered to Orange County and sold new to =
the owner I purchased it from. I have every reason to believe the fan =
was original to the vehicle. After completing my restoration including =
rebuilding the engine I was driving down to San Diego from L.A. on the =
freeway when a fan blade broke at the base and did some damage to the =
engine bay. That fan was cleaned to bare metal, inspected visually and =
repainted before being reinstalled. No obvious evidence of metal =
fatigue, but, you can see that there was metal fatigue at the point of =
the break now. No rivets, holes, or cracks, were anywhere near the =
break. I was lucky the damage was not greater than it was. I now use =
the plastic fan sold by Moss which I purchased in 2005 with out any =
problems.
Ron Fine
61BN7
From: BJ8Healeys=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:41 AM
To: 'Healeys, Forum'=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] texas cooler
I replaced the original two-piece fan on my BJ8 with a series of fans of =
different design as one step in an effort to cool the engine down. None =
of the fans had much of an effect on coolant temperature, but some of =
them were noticeably louder with an objectionable whine. I tried the =
Texas Kooler, which also did not in itself have an apparent effect on =
the coolant temperature, but it was quiet and I was happy enough with it =
to leave it installed. I have had no problems with it in the 14 years =
and 75000 miles since installing it. I keep the original two-piece fan =
in the boot against the possibility that something might happen to the =
Kooler when I=E2=80=99m a long way from home. It was the re-cored =
radiator and the sleeved thermostat that finally solved the cooling =
problem for me.
=20
The problems we have been discussing with blades breaking off the fans, =
I believe, is not with original fans but with the solid (not riveted) =
multi-blade metal fans that people have used to replace the original =
fans, particularly the ones that Moss was offering for a while. The =
parts manual shows a 6-blade fan available on BJ7s up to chassis 18808 =
not delivered to the UK market, and 8-blade and 16-blade fans for BJ8s =
intended for the German and Swiss markets. Whether these have ever had =
a problem with failures, I do not know, but somehow I doubt it. I once =
saw a fan blade poking through the bonnet of a car at Conclave. It =
looked like a blade from an original two-piece fan, but I=E2=80=99m not =
sure of that.
=20
As far as changing the original oil filter canister, that was the first =
modification I did to my car after having a mess to deal with every time =
I changed oil with the original. Besides, the correct filter element =
was not available to me locally and I had to order them. The spin-on =
oil filter does the same job without the mess, and I can get them =
anywhere. =20
=20
The only time my BJ8 has ever stranded me was when the generator =
bearings failed in Washington, DC. It took me three days to find a =
place that could actually rebuild a Lucas generator while my car was =
parked at a highway patrol station (and, by the way, Healey Surgeons in =
a DC suburb did NOT have the correct generator for my car). The =
alternator I replaced it with is available at any auto parts store. My =
traveling companion had a failure of his alternator on the way home from =
Southeastern in Alabama a few years ago, and we had a replacement from =
the nearest parts store installed in about an hour. Those of us who =
are accustomed to driving our Healeys far from home install most of =
these modifications for reliability and convenience. At least, I do.
=20
Steve Byers
HBJ8L/36666
BJ8 Registry
AHCA Delegate at Large
Havelock, NC USA
=20
=20
=20
=20
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
josef-eckert@t-online.de
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:15 AM
To: Jean Caron; Healeys, Forum
Subject: [Healeys] texas cooler
=20
=20
Jean,
I heart of broken blades on original one piece 6 blade fans which are =
special items for hotter climates, but not with the ordinary two piece 4 =
blade fans.
Friends some 10-20 years ago installed BMW 5Series plastic fans. Some =
reconed cooler water temperatures. I am still happy with the original =
fan blades and when I can get one of them I buy it and keep it. Its the =
same with original oil filter cases. I see no big improvement changing =
to cartridge ones. Or changing original generators for alternators. I =
think its for those who like to play with their cars. Often this causes =
more troubles than they had before.
=20
Josef Eckert
Konigswinter/Germany
=20
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<DIV>I just wanted to add my personal experience with original OEM 6 =
bladed fan=20
on my 61BN7. My car was delivered to Orange County and sold new to =
the=20
owner I purchased it from. I have every reason to believe the fan =
was=20
original to the vehicle. After completing my restoration including =
rebuilding the engine I was driving down to San Diego from L.A. on the =
freeway=20
when a fan blade broke at the base and did some damage to the engine =
bay. =20
That fan was cleaned to bare metal, inspected visually and repainted =
before=20
being reinstalled. No obvious evidence of metal fatigue, but, you =
can see=20
that there was metal fatigue at the point of the break now. No =
rivets,=20
holes, or cracks, were anywhere near the break. I was lucky the =
damage was=20
not greater than it was. I now use the plastic fan sold by Moss =
which I=20
purchased in 2005 with out any problems.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ron Fine</DIV>
<DIV>61BN7</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dsbyers@ec.rr.com=20
href=3D"mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com";>BJ8Healeys</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:41 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3DHealeys@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net";>'Healeys, Forum'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] texas cooler</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>I=20
replaced the original two-piece fan on my BJ8 with a series of fans of =
different=20
design as one step in an effort to cool the engine down. =
None of the=20
fans had much of an effect on coolant temperature, but some of them were =
noticeably louder with an objectionable whine. I tried the Texas =
Kooler,=20
which also did not in itself have an apparent effect on the coolant =
temperature,=20
but it was quiet and I was happy enough with it to leave it =
installed. =20
I have had no problems with it in the 14 years and 75000 miles =
since=20
installing it. I keep the original two-piece fan in the boot =
against the=20
possibility that something might happen to the Kooler when I=E2=80=99m a =
long way from=20
home. It was the re-cored radiator and the sleeved =
thermostat that=20
finally solved the cooling problem for me.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>The=20
problems we have been discussing with blades breaking off the fans, I =
believe,=20
is not with original fans but with the solid (not riveted) =
multi-blade=20
metal fans that people have used to replace the original fans, =
particularly the=20
ones that Moss was offering for a while. The parts manual shows a =
6-blade=20
fan available on BJ7s up to chassis 18808 not delivered to the UK =
market, and=20
8-blade and 16-blade fans for BJ8s intended for the German and Swiss=20
markets. Whether these have ever had a problem with =
failures, I do=20
not know, but somehow I doubt it. I once saw a fan blade poking =
through=20
the bonnet of a car at Conclave. It looked like a blade from =
an=20
original two-piece fan, but I=E2=80=99m not sure of =
that.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>As=20
far as changing the original oil filter canister, that was the first=20
modification I did to my car after having a mess to deal with every time =
I =20
changed oil with the original. Besides, the correct filter element =
was not=20
available to me locally and I had to order them. The spin-on oil =
filter=20
does the same job without the mess, and I can get them anywhere. =20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>The=20
only time my BJ8 has ever stranded me was when the generator bearings =
failed in=20
Washington, DC. It took me three days to find a place that could =
actually=20
rebuild a Lucas generator while my car was parked at a highway patrol =
station=20
(and, by the way, Healey Surgeons in a DC suburb did NOT have the =
correct=20
generator for my car). The alternator I replaced it with is =
available at=20
any auto parts store. My traveling companion had a failure of his=20
alternator on the way home from Southeastern in Alabama a few years ago, =
and we=20
had a replacement from the nearest parts store installed in about an=20
hour. Those of us who are accustomed to driving our Healeys =
far from=20
home install most of these modifications for reliability and =
convenience. =20
At least, I do.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>Steve=20
Byers<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>HBJ8L/36666<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>BJ8=20
Registry<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>AHCA=20
Delegate at Large<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>Havelock,=20
NC USA<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Healeys=20
[mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>josef-eckert@t-online.de<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 31, =
2014 3:15=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Jean Caron; Healeys, Forum<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Healeys] =
texas=20
cooler<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P=20
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style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
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<P=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
black'>Jean,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
black'>I heart=20
of broken blades on original one piece 6 blade fans which are special =
items for=20
hotter climates, but not with the ordinary two piece 4 blade=20
fans.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
black'>Friends=20
some 10-20 years ago installed BMW 5Series plastic fans. Some reconed =
cooler=20
water temperatures. I am still happy with the original fan blades and =
when I can=20
get one of them I buy it and keep it. Its the same with original oil =
filter=20
cases. I see no big improvement changing to cartridge ones. Or changing =
original=20
generators for alternators. I think its for those who like to play with =
their=20
cars. Often this causes more troubles than they had=20
before.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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Eckert</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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