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I=E2=80=99m more for track time than the big festivals offer, though I =
like the idea of being on a bucket list track. =20
Lime Rock is really fun to drive, great place but limited facilities for =
campers/hookups for rigs. I=E2=80=99ve done both the two day events =
there (lots of track time, like 3-4 sessions/day) and the Fall Festival =
- amazing sights/cars, but probably just two 20 minute sessions per day, =
and as Mike said, no racing on Sunday due to a longstanding agreement =
with the church across the road.
On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:31 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
I can get us an unmuffled, club type race, Fri-Sat, date at Lime Rock =
with the Historic Race Group and VSCCA . Our normal weekend is the =
Friday after Memorial Day. With this event, if we get 25 cars, we should =
be able to bump one of the two track day groups that also run there and =
have 3, 20 minute, Triumph only sessions, per day. We rent the track, =
unlimited free admission for friends and family.
Plan B, not as assured, would be at the Lime Rock Fall Festival over =
Labor Day weekend. 3 days of track time with a pause (and car show) on =
Sunday because we can't race there on Sundays. Bonus for this, the SVRA =
vintage festival at Watkins Glen (~ 5 hour tow) is the next weekend. =
Downside, festival event event, probably sharing track time with 10 =
groups, more (~30-40%)expensive entry fee. Hotels fill up rtc.
Just putting this out there as we look into the future.
mike h
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This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we=20
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options=20
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many=20=
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of=20
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check=20=
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our=20
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the=20=
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are=20=
as follows:
Festival Events
Typically higher entrance fees.
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a=20=
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility=20=
of incidents, shortening sessions.
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility=20
with the packed schedule.
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from=20=
a wide variety of media.
~
Club Events
Typically lower entrance fees.
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run=20=
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't=20
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted=20=
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good=20
exposure from the normal sources.
~
I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the=20
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated=20
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is=20=
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer=20
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the=20
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and=20
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer=20
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run=20=
at? That would be helpful information as well!
Cheers
Henry Frye
On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> I suppose it wouldn=E2=80=99t have to be. However the Mitty is =
attended very
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> at Road Atlanta.
>=20
> Ronnie
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>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com =
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFWould it have to be at the Mitty?
>>=20
>> Chuck
>>=20
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot=20
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BFIs there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to =
Road Atlanta=20
>>> During the Mitty.
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=99m more for track time than the big festivals offer, though I like the =
idea of being on a bucket list track. <div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Lime Rock is really fun to drive, great =
place but limited facilities for campers/hookups for rigs. I=E2=80=99ve =
done both the two day events there (lots of track time, like 3-4 =
sessions/day) and the Fall Festival - amazing sights/cars, but probably =
just two 20 minute sessions per day, and as Mike said, no racing on =
Sunday due to a longstanding agreement with the church across the =
road.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">On=
Jul 26, 2023, at 12:31 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot <<a =
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dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">I can get us an unmuffled, club type race, =
Fri-Sat, date at Lime Rock with the Historic Race Group and VSCCA . Our =
normal weekend is the Friday after Memorial Day. With this event, if we =
get 25 cars, we should be able to bump one of the two track day groups =
that also run there and have 3, 20 minute, Triumph only sessions, =
per day. We rent the track, unlimited free admission for friends and =
family.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">Plan B, not as =
assured, would be at the Lime Rock Fall Festival over Labor Day weekend. =
3 days of track time with a pause (and car show) on Sunday =
because we can't race there on Sundays. Bonus for this, the SVRA =
vintage festival at Watkins Glen (~ 5 hour tow) is the next weekend. =
Downside, festival event event, probably sharing track time with 10 =
groups, more (~30-40%)expensive entry fee. Hotels fill up rtc.<br =
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style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">This seems like a good time to get a =
feel for the kind of event we <br class=3D"">
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options =
<br class=3D"">
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many =
<br class=3D"">
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of <br =
class=3D"">
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check =
<br class=3D"">
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our =
<br class=3D"">
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the =
<br class=3D"">
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are =
<br class=3D"">
as follows:<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Festival Events<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Typically higher entrance fees.<br class=3D"">
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a =
<br class=3D"">
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility =
<br class=3D"">
of incidents, shortening sessions.<br class=3D"">
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility =
<br class=3D"">
with the packed schedule.<br class=3D"">
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from =
<br class=3D"">
a wide variety of media.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
~<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Club Events<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Typically lower entrance fees.<br class=3D"">
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run =
<br class=3D"">
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't <br =
class=3D"">
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted =
<br class=3D"">
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.<br class=3D"">
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good <br =
class=3D"">
exposure from the normal sources.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
~<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the <br =
class=3D"">
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated <br =
class=3D"">
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is =
<br class=3D"">
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer <br =
class=3D"">
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the <br =
class=3D"">
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and =
<br class=3D"">
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer <br =
class=3D"">
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?<br =
class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run =
<br class=3D"">
at? That would be helpful information as well!<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Cheers<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Henry Frye<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:<br class=3D"">
> I suppose it wouldn=E2=80=99t have to be. However the Mitty is =
attended very<br class=3D"">
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last =
ran<br class=3D"">
> at Road Atlanta.<br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> Ronnie<br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:chasgee22@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">chasgee22@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br class=3D"">
>> <br class=3D"">
>> =EF=BB=BFWould it have to be at the Mitty?<br class=3D"">
>> <br class=3D"">
>> Chuck<br class=3D"">
>> <br class=3D"">
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <br =
class=3D"">
>>> <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
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>>> <br class=3D"">
>>> =EF=BB=BFIs there any consideration to bringing the KCUP =
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>>> During the Mitty.<br class=3D"">
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