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I can get us an unmuffled, club type race, Fri-Sat, date at Lime Rock with
the Historic Race Group and VSCCA . Our normal weekend is the Friday after
Memorial Day. With this event, if we get 25 cars, we should be able to bump
one of the two track day groups that also run there and have 3, 20 minute,
Triumph only sessions, per day. We rent the track, unlimited free admission
for friends and family.
Plan B, not as assured, would be at the Lime Rock Fall Festival over Labor
Day weekend. 3 days of track time with a pause (and car show) on Sunday
because we can't race there on Sundays. Bonus for this, the SVRA vintage
festival at Watkins Glen (~ 5 hour tow) is the next weekend. Downside,
festival event event, probably sharing track time with 10 groups, more
(~30-40%)expensive entry fee. Hotels fill up rtc.
Just putting this out there as we look into the future.
mike h
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On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:16=E2=80=AFPM yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.n=
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wrote:
> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
> as follows:
>
> Festival Events
>
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
> a wide variety of media.
>
> ~
>
> Club Events
>
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
> exposure from the normal sources.
>
> ~
>
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>
> Cheers
>
> Henry Frye
>
>
> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> > I suppose it wouldn=E2=80=99t have to be. However the Mitty is attended=
very
> > well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> > at Road Atlanta.
> >
> > Ronnie
> >
> >> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> =EF=BB=BFWould it have to be at the Mitty?
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
> >>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> =EF=BB=BFIs there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road=
Atlanta
> >>> During the Mitty.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I can get us an unmuffled, club type race, Fri-Sat, date a=
t Lime Rock with the Historic Race Group and VSCCA . Our normal weekend is =
the Friday after Memorial Day. With this event, if we get 25 cars, we shoul=
d be able to bump one of the two track day groups that also run there and h=
ave 3,=C2=A0 20 minute, Triumph only sessions, per day. We rent the track, =
unlimited free admission for friends and family.<div><br><div>Plan B, not a=
s assured, would be at the Lime Rock Fall Festival over Labor Day weekend. =
3 days of track time with a pause (and car show) on Sunday because=C2=A0we =
can't race there on Sundays. Bonus for this, the SVRA vintage festival =
at Watkins Glen (~ 5 hour tow) is the next weekend. Downside, festival even=
t event, probably sharing track time with 10 groups, more (~30-40%)expensiv=
e entry fee. Hotels fill up rtc.<br><div><br></div><div>Just putting this o=
ut there as we look into the future.</div><div><br></div><div>mike h</div><=
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M yellow04 via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team=
.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex">This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we <br>
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options <br>
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.<br>
<br>
Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many <br=
>
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of <br>
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check <br=
>
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our <=
br>
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the <br>
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are <br=
>
as follows:<br>
<br>
Festival Events<br>
<br>
Typically higher entrance fees.<br>
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a <br>
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility <br=
>
of incidents, shortening sessions.<br>
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility <br>
with the packed schedule.<br>
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from <br=
>
a wide variety of media.<br>
<br>
~<br>
<br>
Club Events<br>
<br>
Typically lower entrance fees.<br>
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run <br=
>
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't <br>
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted <b=
r>
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.<br>
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good <br>
exposure from the normal sources.<br>
<br>
~<br>
<br>
I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the=
<br>
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated <br>
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is <b=
r>
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer <br>
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the <br=
>
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and <br>
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.<br>
<br>
Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer <br>
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?<br>
<br>
While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run <br>
at? That would be helpful information as well!<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Henry Frye<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:<br>
> I suppose it wouldn=E2=80=99t have to be. However the Mitty is attende=
d very<br>
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran<=
br>
> at Road Atlanta.<br>
> <br>
> Ronnie<br>
> <br>
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:chasgee22@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">chasgee22@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> =EF=BB=BFWould it have to be at the Mitty?<br>
>> <br>
>> Chuck<br>
>> <br>
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <br>
>>> <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fo=
t@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> =EF=BB=BFIs there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back =
to Road Atlanta <br>
>>> During the Mitty.<br>
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