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Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
From: Philip Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 06:44:31 -0400
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For Me, I look at the cost vs track time as my primary criterion. That usually 
means more club-like events. Festival events such as the recent Road America or 
as SVRA runs at Watkins Glen are undeniably fun, but as a regular occurrence 
not good value for money. Total cost includes the whole package; towing, 
accommodations, etc. so rotating the Cup from coast to coast enables me to get 
to every other one, at least theoretically. The exception might be Sonoma where 
we could combine a family vacation taking winery tours before or after,
So the locale matters as well.

Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. It is  a small but historic 1.6 mile track 
with some elevation change and a great history (see â??The Secret Valley of 
Motor Racingâ?? on You Tube) and will hold 38 cars.  Nestled in the Berkshire 
Mountains and near several cultural venues  it is a great place for a family 
vacation  They have a limited number of unmuffled weekends but there is small 
chance we could get involved with one of those weekends.

Phil Gott


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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 4:38 AM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> COTA would be a great venue
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 5:58 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Henry: One other thing that is important, at least to me, is the Track.  
>> The quality of the track makes a big difference, I would think, especially 
>> for those who are facing a long, long tow.  If we are speaking of club type 
>> events at southeastern venues, Road Atlanta or VIR far outweigh other venues 
>> which are often used by club event organizers such as VDCA & VRG.  These 
>> clubs jointly stage an event at VIR in April each year which would suit the 
>> bill.  Whether a two day November event at Road Atlanta, as Mike Jackson 
>> suggests be given consideration, could be expanded to a three day event, and 
>> whether November is too late in the season are questions I can't answer.  
>> Thus Spake Zarathustra. 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2023 11:31 AM
>> To: fot@autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
>> 
>> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers 
>> want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the 
>> smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>> 
>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many 
>> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We 
>> get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we 
>> don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against 
>> other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the 
>> differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
>> 
>> Festival Events
>> 
>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide 
>> variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of 
>> incidents, shortening sessions.
>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with 
>> the packed schedule.
>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a 
>> wide variety of media.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> Club Events
>> 
>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run 
>> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually 
>> have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys 
>> with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure 
>> from the normal sources.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest 
>> draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles 
>> raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and 
>> good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this 
>> general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event 
>> where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers 
>> with very long tows.
>> 
>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future 
>> Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>> 
>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? 
>> That would be helpful information as well!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Henry Frye
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>> I suppose it wouldnâ??t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very 
>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran 
>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>> 
>>> Ronnie
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>>>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road 
>>>>> Atlanta During the Mitty.
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