Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.

[Philip Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>]

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Further to my previous message, the link to the Lime Rock video is: https://=
youtu.be/PwBw8s7e9b0

I did not get the title quite right. It=E2=80=99s worth spending the hour or=
 so to watch. You=E2=80=99ll want to race there once you see it=E2=80=A6

Phil

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2023, at 6:44 AM, Philip Gott <Vfracing@aol.com> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFFor Me, I look at the cost vs track time as my primary criterion.=
 That usually means more club-like events. Festival events such as the recen=
t Road America or as SVRA runs at Watkins Glen are undeniably fun, but as a r=
egular occurrence not good value for money. Total cost includes the whole pa=
ckage; towing, accommodations, etc. so rotating the Cup from coast to coast e=
nables me to get to every other one, at least theoretically. The exception m=
ight be Sonoma where we could combine a family vacation taking winery tours b=
efore or after,
> So the locale matters as well.
>=20
> Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. It is  a small but historic 1.6 mile t=
rack with some elevation change and a great history (see =E2=80=9CThe Secret=
 Valley of Motor Racing=E2=80=9D on You Tube) and will hold 38 cars.  Nestle=
d in the Berkshire Mountains and near several cultural venues  it is a great=
 place for a family vacation  They have a limited number of unmuffled weeken=
ds but there is small chance we could get involved with one of those weekend=
s.
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> Phil Gott
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 27, 2023, at 4:38 AM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wr=
ote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFCOTA would be a great venue
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 5:58 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>=
 wrote:
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BFHenry: One other thing that is important, at least to me, is th=
e Track.  The quality of the track makes a big difference, I would think, es=
pecially for those who are facing a long, long tow.  If we are speaking of c=
lub type events at southeastern venues, Road Atlanta or VIR far outweigh oth=
er venues which are often used by club event organizers such as VDCA & VRG. =
 These clubs jointly stage an event at VIR in April each year which would su=
it the bill.  Whether a two day November event at Road Atlanta, as Mike Jack=
son suggests be given consideration, could be expanded to a three day event,=
 and whether November is too late in the season are questions I can't answer=
.  Thus Spake Zarathustra.=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2023 11:31 AM
>>> To: fot@autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
>>>=20
>>> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racer=
s want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the sma=
ller club events, or the big festival events.
>>>=20
>>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many a=
spects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We g=
et to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don=
't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against othe=
r Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differen=
ces I see between the two types of events are as follows:
>>>=20
>>> Festival Events
>>>=20
>>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a w=
ide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of in=
cidents, shortening sessions.
>>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility wi=
th the packed schedule.
>>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a=
 wide variety of media.
>>>=20
>>> ~
>>>=20
>>> Club Events
>>>=20
>>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run g=
roup, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually ha=
ve run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with b=
ig checkbooks and limited experience.
>>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good expo=
sure from the normal sources.
>>>=20
>>> ~
>>>=20
>>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the bigg=
est draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles=
 raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and g=
ood, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this gener=
al opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where w=
e had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with ver=
y long tows.
>>>=20
>>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer fut=
ure Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>>>=20
>>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run a=
t? That would be helpful information as well!
>>>=20
>>> Cheers
>>>=20
>>> Henry Frye
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>>> I suppose it wouldn=E2=80=99t have to be. However the Mitty is attended=
 very
>>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran=20=

>>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>>>=20
>>>> Ronnie
>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =EF=BB=BFWould it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot=20
>>>>>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =EF=BB=BFIs there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road=
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>>>>>> Atlanta During the Mitty.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Further to my previous message, the link to=
 the Lime Rock video is:&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://youtu.be/PwBw8s7e9b0";>https=
://youtu.be/PwBw8s7e9b0</a><div><br></div><div>I did not get the title quite=
 right. It=E2=80=99s worth spending the hour or so to watch. You=E2=80=99ll w=
ant to race there once you see it=E2=80=A6</div><div><br></div><div>Phil</di=
v><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 27, 2023, at 6:44 AM, Philip Gott &lt;Vfracin=
g@aol.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>For Me, I look at the cost vs track time as my p=
rimary criterion. That usually means more club-like events. Festival events s=
uch as the recent Road America or as SVRA runs at Watkins Glen are undeniabl=
y fun, but as a regular occurrence not good value for money. Total cost incl=
udes the whole package; towing, accommodations, etc. so rotating the Cup fro=
m coast to coast enables me to get to every other one, at least theoreticall=
y. The exception might be Sonoma where we could combine a family vacation ta=
king winery tours before or after,</span><br><span>So the locale matters as w=
ell.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. I=
t is &nbsp;a small but historic 1.6 mile track with some elevation change an=
d a great history (see =E2=80=9CThe Secret Valley of Motor Racing=E2=80=9D o=
n You Tube) and will hold 38 cars. &nbsp;Nestled in the Berkshire Mountains a=
nd near several cultural venues &nbsp;it is a great place for a family vacat=
ion &nbsp;They have a limited number of unmuffled weekends but there is smal=
l chance we could get involved with one of those weekends.</span><br><span><=
/span><br><span>Phil Gott</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>=
Sent from my iPhone</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><sp=
an>On Jul 27, 2023, at 4:38 AM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&=
gt; wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br=
></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=EF=BB=BFCOTA would be a great=
 venue</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></b=
lockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Sent from my iPhone</span><br></bl=
ockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>On Jul 26, 2023, at 5:58 PM, J=
ohn H. Hasty via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:</span><br></blockquot=
e></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></s=
pan><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><span>=EF=BB=BFHenry: One other thing that is important, at least t=
o me, is the Track. &nbsp;The quality of the track makes a big difference, I=
 would think, especially for those who are facing a long, long tow. &nbsp;If=
 we are speaking of club type events at southeastern venues, Road Atlanta or=
 VIR far outweigh other venues which are often used by club event organizers=
 such as VDCA &amp; VRG. &nbsp;These clubs jointly stage an event at VIR in A=
pril each year which would suit the bill. &nbsp;Whether a two day November e=
vent at Road Atlanta, as Mike Jackson suggests be given consideration, could=
 be expanded to a three day event, and whether November is too late in the s=
eason are questions I can't answer. &nbsp;Thus Spake Zarathustra. </span><br=
></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</s=
pan><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><span>From: Fot &lt;fot-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; On Behalf Of ye=
llow04 via Fot</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2023 11:31 AM</sp=
an><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span>To: fot@autox.team.net</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas=
tner Cup.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>This seems like a good time t=
o get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner C=
ups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festi=
val events.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Having competed at several K=
astner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are t=
he same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new r=
acers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get s=
ome insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff t=
hat makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types o=
f events are as follows:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockqu=
ote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Festival Event=
s</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Typically higher entrance fees.</span>=
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><span>Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule w=
ith a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibilit=
y of incidents, shortening sessions.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Organizers have less n=
egotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.</s=
pan><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><span>Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in g=
eneral from a wide variety of media.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquo=
te></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>~<=
/span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Club Events</span><br></blockquote></bl=
ockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><b=
r></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><span>Typically lower entrance fees.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>More track time, m=
ore flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Tr=
iumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 ye=
ar old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and li=
mited experience.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Limited media exposure compared to a maj=
or festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.</span><br></bl=
ockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><s=
pan></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><span>~</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockqu=
ote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>I'll start. I'=
m all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an ev=
ent. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entr=
y fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a dra=
w for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me=
, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numb=
ers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.</spa=
n><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Can we get an idea of what type of events ac=
tive racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival even=
ts or Club events?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>While we are at it, i=
s there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful i=
nformation as well!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Cheers</span><br></=
blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><span>Henry Frye</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquot=
e></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></s=
pan><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>On 2023-=
07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquo=
te></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>I suppose it wouldn=E2=80=99t have to b=
e. However the Mitty is attended very </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><=
/blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><span>well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup w=
as last ran </span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>at Roa=
d Atlanta.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><=
br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Ronnie</span><br></blockqu=
ote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><=
/blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>On Ju=
l 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:</span><br></blockquote><=
/blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=EF=BB=BFWould it have to be at the Mitty?</sp=
an><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite=
"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Chuck</span><br></blockquote></blockquote>=
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite=
"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blo=
ckquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt v=
ia Fot </span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></bloc=
kquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>&lt;fot@aut=
ox.team.net&gt; wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></bl=
ockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></block=
quote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=EF=BB=BFIs=
 there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road </span><br></bloc=
kquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Atlanta During the Mitty.</span><br><=
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