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The folks at Racetorations swear by .005 to .007 with a steel shin head gas=
ket. I do that with no trouble.
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFThe original cylinder sleeve specs are for original factory head g=
askets. They are very squishy and compress a long way. Thats why its good t=
o retorque =E2=80=9Cfactory=E2=80=9D head gaskets after a heat cycle. The s=
pace within is occupied by air which expands and degasses. Thats why the com=
press further after initial torque. Sleeves compress .001=E2=80=9D minimal -=
depending on wall thickness. I measured this at 100 lbs torque.=20
>=20
> Different gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assort=
ment of products either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sle=
eve on top between gasket and head. =20
>=20
> Its actually pretty simple. =20
>=20
> MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616=20
> Fax 626.628.3777=20
> Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471=20
> T FFL 6,7 SOT 2
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> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wro=
te:
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> The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .005", and this is critic=
al. I found one at .002" one time, and tried it anyway. It didn't work! S=
o, measure carefully and make sure you have at ;least .003" protrusion.
>=20
> Jack
>=20
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Westfall <rwestfall@y=
mail.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however,=
be careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know=F0=9F=
=A4=94) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I=
'm at about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thic=
knesses.
> Cheers!
> Russ Westfall=20
>=20
>=20
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
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>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.n=
et> wrote:
>>=20
>> Michael;
>> It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .=
007=E2=80=9D to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the fi=
gure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should be m=
illed to achieve the proper protrusion.
>> If you have milled the head more than about .060 you should consider stak=
ing the head around the bores between cylinders two and three per the Kastne=
r book. It is weak in this area.
>> The rest of the advice you=E2=80=99ve received is pretty sound, but I hav=
e not tried all of it.
>> Depending on how much you=E2=80=99ve milled the head and what you have do=
ne with the combustion chambers, you may need to reshape the fire ring area o=
f your gasket. It must not protrude at all into the combustion chamber.
>> Phil
>>=20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>> On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> I've read all of the comments, but haven't heard anything about Cometic. =
I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number of years ago, using the stock head ga=
sket. I built the engine as I would have built one of my race engines in th=
e day, except with a milder cam and less compression (10.5:1). =46rom day 1=
it never really ran right. I began to suspect coolant was getting into the=
combustion chamber, so I bought one of those test kits where you pull some c=
oolant out while the engine is running and add a chemical which tests for hy=
drocarbons. Sure enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. =
That says bad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head mag=
nafluxed during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket.
>>=20
>> I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket. A guy at a l=
ocal engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Cometic. I had never h=
eard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 years old, so surely they w=
ould not make a gasket for it. He encouraged me to check the internet, and s=
ure enough, they make a whole bunch of them for the TR engine. It's been a f=
ew years ago, but as I recall, they had gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83=
MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could order different thicknesses. They stack=
ed steel gaskets on top of each other to get to the thickness desired. I th=
ink I ordered a 3 layer gasket. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on=
the strong recommendation I had received, I ordered one.
>>=20
>> I removed the bad head gasket and replaced it with the Cometic gasket, an=
d suddenly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car s=
ince then and haven't had a problem. It runs cool (even on 95 degree days, a=
s tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. By the w=
ay, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. I also used t=
hat. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the trick. Do not spray a t=
hick coat. Below is the link to the Cometic web site. Check it out.
>>=20
>> Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure
>>=20
>> Cometic Gasket - Sealed Under Extreme Pressure
>> Cometic Gasket supplies hi-performance gaskets for a variety of motorspor=
ts markets: ATV, Drag Race, Domestic Au...
>> Jack
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
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>> On Friday, July 31, 2020, 5:27:49 PM EDT, mleccese1--- via Fot <fot@autox=
.team.net> wrote:
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>>=20
>> Phil, Dave,
>>=20
>> I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green TR=
4 #802), can you or someone recommend one that is robust.
>>=20
>> Thank you
>> Michael L
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">The folks at Racetorations swear by .=
005 to .007 with a steel shin head gasket. I do that with no trouble.<br>Phi=
l<br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite">On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot <fot@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFThe original cylinder sleeve specs are for or=
iginal factory head gaskets. They are very squishy and compress a=
long way. Thats why its good to retorque =E2=80=9Cfactory=E2=80=9D head gas=
kets after a heat cycle. The space within is occupied by air which exp=
ands and degasses. Thats why the compress further after initial torque. &nbs=
p;Sleeves compress .001=E2=80=9D minimal - depending on wall thickness.=
I measured this at 100 lbs torque. <div><br></div><div>Different=
gaskets might need different sleeve protrusion. I make an assortment of pro=
ducts either to raise the cylinder or add a ring circling the sleeve on top b=
etween gasket and head. </div><div><br></div><div>Its actually pretty s=
imple. <br><br><div id=3D"__aol_mail_signature__">MDunst
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"http://Headgasket.com"; x-apple-data-detectors=3D"true=
" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detectors-result=3D"0">H=
eadgasket.com</a>
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"tel:626.358.1616" x-apple-data-detectors=3D"true" x-a=
pple-data-detectors-type=3D"telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result=3D"1">6=
26.358.1616</a> <div>Fax <a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"tel:626.628.3777" x=
-apple-data-detectors=3D"true" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"telephone" x-a=
pple-data-detectors-result=3D"2">626.628.3777</a> </div><div>Triple R M=
unitions, Inc
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"tel:626.201.9471" x-apple-data-detectors=3D"true" x-a=
pple-data-detectors-type=3D"telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result=3D"3">6=
26.201.9471</a> </div><div>T
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On Saturday, August 1, 2020, Jack Wheeler via Fot <<a d=
ir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; x-apple-data-detectors=3D"true=
" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detectors-result=3D"4">f=
ot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
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"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><=
div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The spec on liner protrusion is actually .003" - .0=
05", and this is critical. I found one at .002" one time, and tried it=
anyway. It didn't work! So, measure carefully and make sure you=
have at ;least .003" protrusion.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jack<br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"><=
/div>
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ns-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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On Saturday, August 1, 2020, 9:59:23 AM EDT, Russell Wes=
tfall <<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:rwestfall@ymail.com"; x-apple-data-de=
tectors=3D"true" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detectors=
-result=3D"6">rwestfall@ymail.com</a>> wrote:
</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><div id=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917"><div>=
I absolutely concur about the sleeve standing proud of the block, however, b=
e careful that you don't have too much protrusion, (ask me how I know=F0=9F=A4=
=94) I believe the spec is 2 to 5 thousandths. I use a copper gasket so I'm a=
t about 3. Morty Dunst made my gasket and he can do them in various thicknes=
ses.<div>Cheers!</div><div>Russ Westfall <br clear=3D"none"><div><div><=
br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" targ=
et=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://yho.com/footer0";>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad=
</a><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff30=
3fbdyiv9752833917yqt7771625207" id=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917y=
qt02613"><p class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917yahoo-quoted-begin=
" style=3D"font-size:15px;color:#715FFA;padding-top:15px;margin-top:0;">On S=
aturday, August 1, 2020, 4:52 AM, Phil Gott via Fot <<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D=
"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; x-apple-data-detectors=3D"true" x-apple-data-det=
ectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detectors-result=3D"7">fot@autox.team.net<=
/a>> wrote:</p><blockquote class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917=
iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917"><div>Michael;<di=
v>It is also critical that the liners protrude above the block by .005 to .0=
07=E2=80=9D to ensure a good seal. This is before any compression of the fig=
ure 8 gaskets. If the protrusion is less, the top of the block should b=
e milled to achieve the proper protrusion.</div><div>If you have milled the h=
ead more than about .060 you should consider staking the head around the bor=
es between cylinders two and three per the Kastner book. It is weak in this a=
rea.</div><div>The rest of the advice you=E2=80=99ve received is pretty soun=
d, but I have not tried all of it.</div><div>Depending on how much you=E2=80=
=99ve milled the head and what you have done with the combustion chambers, y=
ou may need to reshape the fire ring area of your gasket. It must not protru=
de at all into the combustion chamber.</div><div>Phil<br clear=3D"none"><br c=
lear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917yqt381477=
9460" id=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917yqtfd35058"><br clear=3D"no=
ne"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Jack Wheeler via =
Fot <<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; x-apple-data-detec=
tors=3D"true" x-apple-data-detectors-type=3D"link" x-apple-data-detectors-re=
sult=3D"8">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"=
none"></blockquote></div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917yqt3814779460" id=3D"yiv840=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span><cite class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv975=
2833917ydp93995a00algo-display-url">I've read all of the comments, but haven=
't heard anything about Cometic. I had rebuilt my TR-3 engine a number=
of years ago, using the stock head gasket. I built the engine as I wo=
uld have built one of my race engines in the day, except with a milder cam a=
nd less compression (10.5:1). =46rom day 1 it never really ran right.&=
nbsp; I began to suspect coolant was getting into the combustion chamber, so=
I bought one of those test kits where you pull some coolant out while the e=
ngine is running and add a chemical which tests for hydrocarbons. Sure=
enough, hydrocarbons were getting into my coolant system. That says b=
ad head gasket or crack in the head. Since I'd had the head magnafluxe=
d during the rebuild, I assumed it was the head gasket.</cite></span></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><span><cite class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917yd=
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"ltr"><span><cite class=3D"yiv8400467774ydpff303fbdyiv9752833917ydp93995a00a=
lgo-display-url">I began asking around about where I could get a good gasket=
. A guy at a local engine shop (primarily Ford engines) recommended Co=
metic. I had never heard of them, and told him the engine was over 50 y=
ears old, so surely they would not make a gasket for it. He encouraged=
me to check the internet, and sure enough, they make a whole bunch of them f=
or the TR engine. It's been a few years ago, but as I recall, they had=
gaskets for different bores (i.e. 83MM, 86MM, 87MM, etc.) and you could ord=
er different thicknesses. They stacked steel gaskets on top of each ot=
her to get to the thickness desired. I think I ordered a 3 layer gaske=
t. It all sounded a little fishy, but based on the strong recommendati=
on I had received, I ordered one.</cite></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>=
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nly the engine ran great. I have put almost 7.000 miles on the car sin=
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s, as tested recently), pulls strong, and no sign of any coolant leaks. =
; By the way, I noticed someone else recommended Hylomar gasket cement. =
; I also used that. A light coat on all sealing surfaces does the tric=
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<div>I may have compromised my head gasket last weekend at Lime Rock (Green T=
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<div>Thank you</div>
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