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You wrote the email I thought of writing but decided not to.
Personally, the only clubs I really want to belong to are the ones
that have a bar, a restaurant (good one), a pool table and a library
(in my case that's the Arlington Club, a truly great establishment
here in Portland), and the ones like the FOT, where no twinkie with a
claptrap P.O.S. excuse for a LBC gets up at every meeting and rants
about parliamentary procedure and whether or not they have a quorum to
decide on tuna fish sandwiches for the picnic.
I always thought the VTR existed to document the provenance (however
modest) of cars. The rest seems kind of ancillary. It's not the cars
that are diminishing, it's the members--if nothing else they are
kicking the bucket. No disrespect meant for those that love their
clubs, but unless these clubs get a lot more interesting, and figure
out ways to get the self-important twinkies to shut up, there won't be
critical mass of people younger than 60 taking part.
FOT part of VTR (or any other "real" organization)--perish the thought.
On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:40 PM, John Macartney wrote:
> Andy Mace wrote:
> This does raise an interesting possibility, were FoT members so
> inclined: perhaps we could become some sort of "Special Chapter" or
> "Affiliate" of VTR?
>
> I take a very 'broad church view' on issues like this, essentially
> summarised as follows:
>
> 1. It doesn't really matter how you use your Triumph (or Standard)
> and because of that, there should be room in your local or national
> club to accommodate your usage preference.
> 2. The vehicle parc is getting smaller each year and current owners
> are getting older. This largely explains the diminution of club
> memberships
> 3. A surprisingly large number of cars will outlive their enthusiast
> custodians and will need to have 'a home'
> 4. Clubs (national or local) need to recognise this - and its my
> perception in the UK that clubs don't adequately do this
> 5. There will come a time when the vehicle parc and custodian base
> is so small that clubs as they currently stand will probably not be
> viable as heretofore. This begs the question
> 6. What plans are national clubs making to address that inevitable
> eventuality?
> 7. No-one can confidently expect to substantially 'grow club
> membership.' The vast majority of cars that will survive are already
> known. Barn-Finds will become ever more infrequent
>
> With regard to point 6, my perception of the evidence as it relates
> to the UK (and probably elsewhere too?) is "nothing at all."
> Additionally, for as long as clubs and others continue to provide
> 'free' technical information on "How to .....?" projects via the
> internet, clubs will continue to diminish in size.
>
> Rant off
>
> Jonmac
>
>
>
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-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">You wrote the email I thought =
of writing but decided not to. Personally, the only clubs I really want =
to belong to are the ones that have a bar, a restaurant (good one), a =
pool table and a library (in my case that's the Arlington Club, =
a truly great establishment here in Portland), and the ones =
like the FOT, where no twinkie with a claptrap P.O.S. excuse for a LBC =
gets up at every meeting and rants =
about parliamentary procedure and whether or not they have a =
quorum to decide on tuna fish sandwiches for the =
picnic. <div><br></div><div>I always thought the VTR existed to =
document the provenance (however modest) of cars. The rest seems kind of =
ancillary. It's not the cars that are diminishing, it's the members--if =
nothing else they are kicking the bucket. No disrespect meant for those =
that love their clubs, but unless these clubs get a lot more =
interesting, and figure out ways to get the self-important twinkies to =
shut up, there won't be critical mass of people younger than 60 taking =
part. </div><div><br></div><div>FOT part of VTR (or any other =
"real" organization)--<b>perish the =
thought</b>. </div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:40 PM, =
John Macartney wrote:</div><br =
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color=3D"#000000" size=3D"3">This does raise an interesting possibility, =
were FoT members so inclined: perhaps we could become some sort of =
"Special Chapter" or "Affiliate" of VTR?</font></div><div><font =
size=3D"3"></font> </div><div><font size=3D"3">I take a very 'broad =
church view' on issues like this, essentially summarised as =
follows:</font></div><div><font size=3D"3"></font> </div><div><font =
size=3D"3">1. It doesn't really matter how you use your Triumph (or =
Standard) and because of that, there should be room in your local or =
national club to accommodate your usage =
preference.</font></div><div><font size=3D"3">2. The vehicle parc is =
getting smaller each year and current owners are getting older. This =
largely explains the diminution of club =
memberships</font></div><div><font size=3D"3">3. A surprisingly large =
number of cars will outlive their enthusiast custodians and will need to =
have 'a home'</font></div><div><font size=3D"3">4. Clubs (national or =
local) need to recognise this - and its my perception in the UK that =
clubs don't adequately do this</font></div><div><font size=3D"3">5. =
There will come a time when the vehicle parc and custodian base is so =
small that clubs as they currently stand will probably not be viable as =
heretofore. This begs the question</font></div><div><font size=3D"3">6. =
What plans are national clubs making to address that inevitable =
eventuality?</font></div><div><font size=3D"3">7. No-one can confidently =
expect to substantially 'grow club membership.' The vast majority of =
cars that will survive are already known. Barn-Finds will become ever =
more infrequent</font></div><div><font =
size=3D"3"></font> </div><div><font size=3D"3">With regard to point =
6, my perception of the evidence as it relates to the UK (and probably =
elsewhere too?) is "nothing at all." Additionally, for as long as =
clubs and others continue to provide 'free' technical information on =
"How to .....?" projects via the internet, clubs will continue to =
diminish in size.</font></div><div><font =
size=3D"3"></font> </div><div><font size=3D"3">Rant =
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