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Hi Gang....Here It Is.......Straight Out....CAR RACING AND DEATH....I've =
kept kinda' Quiet about the subject ..Regarding Deaths in Vintage =
Racing...and have Layed Back and contemplated things as I've read the =
numerous emails......
The Essence of Race Driving is to go as fast as we can to win!
Some of us will die doing that.....That's just the way it is....That's =
REALLY the way it is.!.....
Vintage...Who the heck knows who's driving over their heads or not?...No =
Way To Tell.....
Racer Bud's Conclusion..I.f the word DANGER creeps into your mind very =
often..DO NOT RACE.......=20
Racer Bud..Spitfire #21
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bill Babcock=20
To: John Macartney=20
Cc: fot@autox.team.net ; bdischer@blakedischer.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR & FoT
You wrote the email I thought of writing but decided not to. =
Personally, the only clubs I really want to belong to are the ones that =
have a bar, a restaurant (good one), a pool table and a library (in my =
case that's the Arlington Club, a truly great establishment here in =
Portland), and the ones like the FOT, where no twinkie with a claptrap =
P.O.S. excuse for a LBC gets up at every meeting and rants about =
parliamentary procedure and whether or not they have a quorum to decide =
on tuna fish sandwiches for the picnic.=20
I always thought the VTR existed to document the provenance (however =
modest) of cars. The rest seems kind of ancillary. It's not the cars =
that are diminishing, it's the members--if nothing else they are kicking =
the bucket. No disrespect meant for those that love their clubs, but =
unless these clubs get a lot more interesting, and figure out ways to =
get the self-important twinkies to shut up, there won't be critical mass =
of people younger than 60 taking part.=20
FOT part of VTR (or any other "real" organization)--perish the =
thought.=20
On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:40 PM, John Macartney wrote:
Andy Mace wrote:
This does raise an interesting possibility, were FoT members so =
inclined: perhaps we could become some sort of "Special Chapter" or =
"Affiliate" of VTR?
I take a very 'broad church view' on issues like this, essentially =
summarised as follows:
1. It doesn't really matter how you use your Triumph (or Standard) =
and because of that, there should be room in your local or national club =
to accommodate your usage preference.
2. The vehicle parc is getting smaller each year and current owners =
are getting older. This largely explains the diminution of club =
memberships
3. A surprisingly large number of cars will outlive their enthusiast =
custodians and will need to have 'a home'
4. Clubs (national or local) need to recognise this - and its my =
perception in the UK that clubs don't adequately do this
5. There will come a time when the vehicle parc and custodian base =
is so small that clubs as they currently stand will probably not be =
viable as heretofore. This begs the question
6. What plans are national clubs making to address that inevitable =
eventuality?
7. No-one can confidently expect to substantially 'grow club =
membership.' The vast majority of cars that will survive are already =
known. Barn-Finds will become ever more infrequent
With regard to point 6, my perception of the evidence as it relates =
to the UK (and probably elsewhere too?) is "nothing at all." =
Additionally, for as long as clubs and others continue to provide 'free' =
technical information on "How to .....?" projects via the internet, =
clubs will continue to diminish in size.
Rant off
Jonmac
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Gang....Here It Is.......Straight =
Out....CAR=20
RACING AND DEATH....I've kept kinda' Quiet about the subject=20
..Regarding Deaths in Vintage Racing...and have Layed Back and=20
contemplated things as I've read the numerous =
emails......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Essence of Race Driving is to go as =
fast as we=20
can to win!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some of us will die doing =
that.....That's just the=20
way it is....That's REALLY the way it is.!.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Vintage...Who the heck knows who's =
driving over=20
their heads or not?...No Way To Tell.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Racer Bud's Conclusion..I.f the =
word DANGER=20
creeps into your mind very often..DO NOT RACE....... </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Racer Bud..Spitfire #21</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DBillb@bnj.com href=3D"mailto:Billb@bnj.com";>Bill =
Babcock</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 24, =
2008 5:10=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] VTR & =
FoT</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>You wrote the email I thought of writing but decided =
not to.=20
Personally, the only clubs I really want to belong to are the ones =
that have a=20
bar, a restaurant (good one), a pool table and a library (in my case =
that's=20
the Arlington Club, a truly great establishment here in =
Portland),=20
and the ones like the FOT, where no twinkie with a claptrap P.O.S. =
excuse for=20
a LBC gets up at every meeting and rants=20
about parliamentary procedure and whether or not they have a =
quorum=20
to decide on tuna fish sandwiches for the picnic.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I always thought the VTR existed to document the provenance =
(however=20
modest) of cars. The rest seems kind of ancillary. It's not the cars =
that are=20
diminishing, it's the members--if nothing else they are kicking the =
bucket. No=20
disrespect meant for those that love their clubs, but unless =
these=20
clubs get a lot more interesting, and figure out ways to get the=20
self-important twinkies to shut up, there won't be critical mass of =
people=20
younger than 60 taking part. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>FOT part of VTR (or any other "real" organization)--<B>perish the =
thought</B>. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:40 PM, John Macartney wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D3>Andy Mace wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT id=3Drole_document face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D3>This does raise=20
an interesting possibility, were FoT members so inclined: perhaps we =
could=20
become some sort of "Special Chapter" or "Affiliate" of =
VTR?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>I take a very 'broad church view' on issues like =
this,=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D3>1. It doesn't really matter how you use your =
Triumph (or=20
Standard) and because of that, there should be room in your local or =
national club to accommodate your usage preference.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>2. The vehicle parc is getting smaller each year =
and=20
current owners are getting older. This largely explains the =
diminution of=20
club memberships</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>3. A surprisingly large number of cars will =
outlive their=20
enthusiast custodians and will need to have 'a home'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>4. Clubs (national or local) need to recognise =
this - and=20
its my perception in the UK that clubs don't adequately do =
this</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>5. There will come a time when the vehicle parc =
and=20
custodian base is so small that clubs as they currently stand will =
probably=20
not be viable as heretofore. This begs the question</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>6. What plans are national clubs making to =
address that=20
inevitable eventuality?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>7. No-one can confidently expect to =
substantially 'grow=20
club membership.' The vast majority of cars that will survive are =
already=20
known. Barn-Finds will become ever more infrequent</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>With regard to point 6, my perception of the =
evidence as=20
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all." Additionally, for as long as clubs and others continue to =
provide=20
'free' technical information on "How to .....?" projects via the =
internet,=20
clubs will continue to diminish in size.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>Rant off</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>Jonmac</FONT></DIV>
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