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Bill Babcock wrote:
You wrote the email I thought of writing but decided not to. Personally, =
the only clubs I really want to belong to are the ones that have a bar, =
a restaurant (good one), a pool table and a library (in my case that's =
the Arlington Club, a truly great establishment here in Portland), and =
the ones like the FOT, where no twinkie with a claptrap P.O.S. excuse =
for a LBC gets up at every meeting and rants about parliamentary =
procedure and whether or not they have a quorum to decide on tuna fish =
sandwiches for the picnic.=20
Hey, Bill - we've got twinkies like that in the UK too! I refer to them =
as paid up members of "The Chipping Sodbury Dynamo and Starter Motor =
Appreciation Society"=20
FOT part of VTR (or any other "real" organization)--perish the thought.=20
Well, it's come to my notice over the years via this list that the VTR =
isn't always the most popular with certain individuals, and in a =
democracy everyone should be able to speak their mind. However as I =
don't want to get involved in the whys or wherefores, I'll try to keep =
foot out of mouth. If FoT is happy on its own then fine, if FoT feels =
association with a national or local club is desirable, that's fine as =
well. In the UK, the Triumph racing fraternity usually belong to one of =
two national clubs (Triumph Sports Six and/or TR Register) but because =
that's the way we do it here, doesn't mean North America should copy.
Perhaps its time for me to go into the fallout shelter.......
Jonmac
On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:40 PM, John Macartney wrote:
Andy Mace wrote:
This does raise an interesting possibility, were FoT members so =
inclined: perhaps we could become some sort of "Special Chapter" or =
"Affiliate" of VTR?
I take a very 'broad church view' on issues like this, essentially =
summarised as follows:
1. It doesn't really matter how you use your Triumph (or Standard) =
and because of that, there should be room in your local or national club =
to accommodate your usage preference.
2. The vehicle parc is getting smaller each year and current owners =
are getting older. This largely explains the diminution of club =
memberships
3. A surprisingly large number of cars will outlive their enthusiast =
custodians and will need to have 'a home'
4. Clubs (national or local) need to recognise this - and its my =
perception in the UK that clubs don't adequately do this
5. There will come a time when the vehicle parc and custodian base =
is so small that clubs as they currently stand will probably not be =
viable as heretofore. This begs the question
6. What plans are national clubs making to address that inevitable =
eventuality?
7. No-one can confidently expect to substantially 'grow club =
membership.' The vast majority of cars that will survive are already =
known. Barn-Finds will become ever more infrequent
With regard to point 6, my perception of the evidence as it relates =
to the UK (and probably elsewhere too?) is "nothing at all." =
Additionally, for as long as clubs and others continue to provide 'free' =
technical information on "How to .....?" projects via the internet, =
clubs will continue to diminish in size.
Rant off
Jonmac
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<DIV>Bill Babcock wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>You wrote the email I thought of writing but decided not to. =
Personally,=20
the only clubs I really want to belong to are the ones that have a bar, =
a=20
restaurant (good one), a pool table and a library (in my case that's the =
Arlington Club, a truly great establishment here in Portland), =
and the=20
ones like the FOT, where no twinkie with a claptrap P.O.S. excuse for a =
LBC gets=20
up at every meeting and rants about parliamentary procedure =
and=20
whether or not they have a quorum to decide on tuna fish sandwiches for =
the=20
picnic. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Hey, Bill - we've got twinkies like that in the =
UK too! I=20
refer to them as paid up members of "The Chipping Sodbury Dynamo and =
Starter=20
Motor Appreciation Society" </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>FOT part of VTR (or any other "real" organization)--<B>perish the=20
thought</B>. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Well, it's come to my notice over the years via =
this=20
list that the VTR isn't always the most popular with certain =
individuals,=20
and in a democracy everyone should be able to speak their mind. However =
as I=20
don't want to get involved in the whys or wherefores, I'll try to keep =
foot out=20
of mouth. If FoT is happy on its own then fine, if FoT feels association =
with a=20
national or local club is desirable, that's fine as well. In the UK, the =
Triumph=20
racing fraternity usually belong to one of two national clubs (Triumph =
Sports=20
Six and/or TR Register) but because that's the way we do it here, =
doesn't=20
mean North America should copy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Perhaps its time for me to go into the fallout=20
shelter.......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Jonmac</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D3>Andy Mace wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT id=3Drole_document face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
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an interesting possibility, were FoT members so inclined: perhaps we =
could=20
become some sort of "Special Chapter" or "Affiliate" of =
VTR?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>I take a very 'broad church view' on issues like =
this,=20
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Triumph (or=20
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national club to accommodate your usage preference.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>2. The vehicle parc is getting smaller each year =
and=20
current owners are getting older. This largely explains the =
diminution of=20
club memberships</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>3. A surprisingly large number of cars will =
outlive their=20
enthusiast custodians and will need to have 'a home'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>4. Clubs (national or local) need to recognise =
this - and=20
its my perception in the UK that clubs don't adequately do =
this</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>5. There will come a time when the vehicle parc =
and=20
custodian base is so small that clubs as they currently stand will =
probably=20
not be viable as heretofore. This begs the question</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>6. What plans are national clubs making to =
address that=20
inevitable eventuality?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>7. No-one can confidently expect to =
substantially 'grow=20
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already=20
known. Barn-Finds will become ever more infrequent</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>With regard to point 6, my perception of the =
evidence as=20
it relates to the UK (and probably elsewhere too?) is "nothing at=20
all." Additionally, for as long as clubs and others continue to =
provide=20
'free' technical information on "How to .....?" projects via the =
internet,=20
clubs will continue to diminish in size.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>Rant off</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>Jonmac</FONT></DIV>
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