I wasn't suggesting removal of the classing structure, just limiting the
maximum number of entries per run group. Of course, what if a run group has
more than 37 real entries? What if a wild pack of WRG drivers show up early
and book the whole first run group and mess up the real competitors? They get
left out in the cold?
Not a perfect solution by any means, but worth adding to the pot we're stirring.
-c
-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Kelly [mailto:lollipop487@attbi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:10 AM
To: Carl Merritt; boris@elpiner.net; 76067.1750@compuserve.com;
ba-autox@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: WRG (was Round 4 results)
There are several reasons for assigning classes to run groups:
1) To keep each class running at the same time and weather conditions in
order to keep it fair (prime reason)
2) To make sure there are enough workers to man the stations while another
group runs
Probably some others, but those are the key reasons. If we were to use
your system, no one would know who won until the results are posted.
If the main purpose of the driver is to get a time only, that defeats
the purpose of classes. Who cares if it's fair? :) Just list everyone by
their time only? Kinda weird to me. What am I missing?
--Pat K
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>From: <CMerritt@luminous.com>
>To: <boris@elpiner.net>, <76067.1750@compuserve.com>,
<ba-autox@autox.team.net>, <lollipop487@attbi.com>
>Subject: RE: WRG (was Round 4 results)
>Date: Wed, Nov 6, 2002, 11:12 AM
>
> Actually it can be done, just take the rough maximum number of entrants,
> 300, divide by 8, 37. Have a card sorting box with 8 slots at registration
> with 37 cards in each slot with pre-marked run group information on them.
> Once a run group is fully booked, it's done, no more, sorry.
>
> Of course there are many points of pain with such an arrangement as I'm
> sure naysayers will point out momentarily, the question is which possible
> solution, or no solution at all, is less painful.
>
> -Carl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Boris Elpiner [mailto:boris@elpiner.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:11 AM
> To: 'John F. Kelly Jr.'; 'bay area team.net'; 'Pat Kelly'
> Subject: RE: WRG (was Round 4 results)
>
>
> John,
>
> I don't think you can effectively control this situation. There are many
> classes where a car can be legally entered. For example I can run my BS
> car in ASP, SM2, OSP, EM or ST (street tires). I'm guilty of running
> outside of my regular class for the first 3 Slush events. But that was
> the only way for me to participate in those events.
>
> Maybe we should reevaluate going back to 4/2 run group schedule for the
> Slush to resolve workers situation. Fun runs would be an added benefit
> for running in the afternoon.
>
> Boris.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John F. Kelly Jr.
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:56 AM
> To: bay area team.net; Pat Kelly
> Subject: Round 4 results
>
> -------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------
>
> Message text written by "Pat Kelly"
>
> " There were 202 separate entries, too many Wrong Run Groups (all of
> F
> Stock, for instance)."
>
> -------------------- End Original Message --------------------
>
> Wrong Run Groups. This situation is screwing up our event operations.
> For
> many, many events, we have seen the first run group over run with
> entries
> and then the afternoon groups have a worker shortage.
> This is especially intriguing during the last two events, for
> example. The last run group at our previous event was pretty small and
> this
> group ran first this past Sunday and was quite full. The purpose of run
> groups is to even out things so every group has a similar number of
> entrants throughout the day. It isn't working.
> Now most event chairs are more than willing to take care of some
> individual's time situation. But if this keeps up we may have to not
> allow
> you to run if your class isn't the one listed for the group on the grid.
> Everybody's cooperation is needed to make our events an ongoing
> pleasure.
>
> --John Kelly
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