My apologies as well. I assumed that your reply was to a public
message and the response from me was public. I did not see, nor did I remove
any <private> label at the top of the email. Microsoft Outlook seems to have
done that without my knowledge.
John Moore
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Stevens [SMTP:root@shark.tiburon.ca.us]
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 2:23 PM
> To: Moore, John
> Cc: 'autox@autox.team.net'
> Subject: RE: powder puff classes
>
> John - since you chose not only to publish private email, but to carefully
> excise the <private> label at the top of my message, I don't think we have
> any common ground on the definition of offensive or
> insulting. Conversation closed.
>
> Apologies to Team.Net.
>
> KeS
>
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Moore, John wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Moore, John wrote:
> >
> > > > This message is truly offensive. To degrade a persons
> > > > accomplishments because of the class they choose to run in is
> abhorent.
> > > > Would you just as willingly attack FS or ESP or CP?
> > > > And to degrade the Ladies class competition as being "powder
> puff"
> > > > is ignorant. Take ESL for example. If you didn't happen to see ESL
> run,
> > > it
> > > > was a battle between 2 serious competitors (Sara Meissner and Denise
> > > > Cashmore) and was one of the best fought battles of the week. The
> > > trophies
> > > > they received are just as hard fought and deserved as any open class
> > >
> > Kevin Stevens Writes:
> > > How'd their times stack up against the other ES competition? They
> deserve
> > > exactly as much credit as their times warrant. To say otherwise is to
> say
> > > that women are handicapped in their driving ability. I consider THAT
> > > offensive.
> > >
> > [Moore, John] And why should that matter? All classes are set up as
> > an attempt at fair competition WITHIN the class. That is the point you
> are
> > missing. And I am not the one who is saying, to quote you "that women
> are
> > handicapped in their driving ability", you and Karen Kraus and several
> > others are. Do you people not understand how insulting it is to have
> your
> > accomplishments attacked because of the class you chose? I know what it
> is
> > like, I have been running STS and have heard all the same attacks all
> year.
> > Poorly informed attacks from people who dont like change and dont like
> > someone else having a possible advantage.
> > If you dont like something, then work to change it. If you
> > dont like the ladies classes, then give a good reason why. For that
> matter,
> > to some of you, if you dont like STS, give a good reason too. Otherwise
> try
> > using your energy to improve things instead of trying to tear them down.
> >
> > John Moore
> > 1991 Nissan Sentra SE-R (STS)
> > 1993 Toyota MR2 NA (CS) For Sale!
> >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Karen Kraus [SMTP:kiirenza@erols.com]
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 5:28 PM
> > > > > To: autox@autox.team.net
> > > > > Subject: Re: powder puff classes
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike B. wrote :
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Powder Puff"???????? Ladies let the flame war begin.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, I totally agree that the ladies classes are "powder
> > > puff."
> > > > > That's why
> > > > > I run open class.... and for those who may be wondering about my
> L1
> > > > > exploits in
> > > > > Harrisburg, Wendover and the ProSolo Finale, let's just say there
> was
> > > a
> > > > > *very*
> > > > > specific reason for that, and that it was related to the fact that
> I
> > > > > believe the
> > > > > ladies classes are "powder puff." I'll sum it up with one question
> --
> > > do
> > > > > you think I
> > > > > could have driven fast enough to win STS open at the Finale had I
> > > *not*
> > > > > been running
> > > > > open class for the last three years? Ignore the fact that the STS
> > > index is
> > > > > a
> > > > > complete and total joke. I don't think I would have made the kind
> of
> > > > > improvements in
> > > > > my driving that I've made over the last three years had I been
> > > languishing
> > > > > in the
> > > > > ladies class. And you know what? I don't care whether other female
> > > drivers
> > > > > agree
> > > > > with me or not, especially after how I was treated by most of L1
> and
> > > some
> > > > > of the
> > > > > things that were out right *said* to me at the Finale.
> > > > > Some people wonder why the ProSolo isn't treated as "pro" as
> even
> > > > > ProRally....
> > > > > well, I believe that part of it is that the Solo community still
> > > obviously
> > > > > believes
> > > > > that women can't be as fast as men, despite the accomplishments of
> > > Shauna
> > > > > Marinus,
> > > > > Lynne Rothney-Kozlak, Teresa Neidel and others.
> > > > >
> > > > > Karen Kraus
> > > > > 1996 Camaro Z28 1LE (FS34) -- !ABS
> > > > > no, I'm *not* buying a Subaru!! :)
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "You never get away, you only get someplace else."
> > > > > -- Lovka's Dilemma
> > > > >
> > > > > "No matter what they're telling you, they're not telling you the
> whole
> > > > > truth."
> > > > > -- Todd's Principle
> > > > >
> > > > > "The best view of your soul is from beyond the edge, looking
> back."
> > > > > -- No Fear
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.erols.com/kiirenza/trisk
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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