On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Moore, John wrote:
> > This message is truly offensive. To degrade a persons
> > accomplishments because of the class they choose to run in is abhorent.
> > Would you just as willingly attack FS or ESP or CP?
> > And to degrade the Ladies class competition as being "powder puff"
> > is ignorant. Take ESL for example. If you didn't happen to see ESL run,
> it
> > was a battle between 2 serious competitors (Sara Meissner and Denise
> > Cashmore) and was one of the best fought battles of the week. The
> trophies
> > they received are just as hard fought and deserved as any open class
>
Kevin Stevens Writes:
> How'd their times stack up against the other ES competition? They deserve
> exactly as much credit as their times warrant. To say otherwise is to say
> that women are handicapped in their driving ability. I consider THAT
> offensive.
>
[Moore, John] And why should that matter? All classes are set up as
an attempt at fair competition WITHIN the class. That is the point you are
missing. And I am not the one who is saying, to quote you "that women are
handicapped in their driving ability", you and Karen Kraus and several
others are. Do you people not understand how insulting it is to have your
accomplishments attacked because of the class you chose? I know what it is
like, I have been running STS and have heard all the same attacks all year.
Poorly informed attacks from people who dont like change and dont like
someone else having a possible advantage.
If you dont like something, then work to change it. If you
dont like the ladies classes, then give a good reason why. For that matter,
to some of you, if you dont like STS, give a good reason too. Otherwise try
using your energy to improve things instead of trying to tear them down.
John Moore
1991 Nissan Sentra SE-R (STS)
1993 Toyota MR2 NA (CS) For Sale!
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Karen Kraus [SMTP:kiirenza@erols.com]
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 5:28 PM
> > > To: autox@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: powder puff classes
> > >
> > > Mike B. wrote :
> > >
> > > > "Powder Puff"???????? Ladies let the flame war begin.
> > >
> > > Actually, I totally agree that the ladies classes are "powder
> puff."
> > > That's why
> > > I run open class.... and for those who may be wondering about my L1
> > > exploits in
> > > Harrisburg, Wendover and the ProSolo Finale, let's just say there was
> a
> > > *very*
> > > specific reason for that, and that it was related to the fact that I
> > > believe the
> > > ladies classes are "powder puff." I'll sum it up with one question --
> do
> > > you think I
> > > could have driven fast enough to win STS open at the Finale had I
> *not*
> > > been running
> > > open class for the last three years? Ignore the fact that the STS
> index is
> > > a
> > > complete and total joke. I don't think I would have made the kind of
> > > improvements in
> > > my driving that I've made over the last three years had I been
> languishing
> > > in the
> > > ladies class. And you know what? I don't care whether other female
> drivers
> > > agree
> > > with me or not, especially after how I was treated by most of L1 and
> some
> > > of the
> > > things that were out right *said* to me at the Finale.
> > > Some people wonder why the ProSolo isn't treated as "pro" as even
> > > ProRally....
> > > well, I believe that part of it is that the Solo community still
> obviously
> > > believes
> > > that women can't be as fast as men, despite the accomplishments of
> Shauna
> > > Marinus,
> > > Lynne Rothney-Kozlak, Teresa Neidel and others.
> > >
> > > Karen Kraus
> > > 1996 Camaro Z28 1LE (FS34) -- !ABS
> > > no, I'm *not* buying a Subaru!! :)
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > "You never get away, you only get someplace else."
> > > -- Lovka's Dilemma
> > >
> > > "No matter what they're telling you, they're not telling you the whole
> > > truth."
> > > -- Todd's Principle
> > >
> > > "The best view of your soul is from beyond the edge, looking back."
> > > -- No Fear
> > >
> > > http://www.erols.com/kiirenza/trisk
> >
> >
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