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RE: Brakes binding and overheating.

To: Jarrid Gross <JGross@econolite.com>, Ian Spencer
Subject: RE: Brakes binding and overheating.
From: Jason Raser <jasonraser@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:20:31 -0800 (PST)
Has anyone ever heard of someone installing a
non-Sunbeam master cylinder.  Seems like a dual
resevoir would be somthing someone has tried.

Jason
--- Jarrid Gross <JGross@econolite.com> wrote:
> Here is something to ponder that I have seen before
> on alpines.
> 
> The master cylinder requires that the reservior feed
> hole be
> uncovered by the piston when the brake is not
> pressed.
> If it is not fully un-covered, the pressure doesnt
> relieve
> itself in the high pressure circuits (IE brake
> lines).
> This anomily is an exact fit to explain your woes.
> Ive heard of catastrophic brake seisure becuase of
> such
> a condition.
> 
> Ive seen cases where the wrong MC, or too long of MC
> actuator rod, or the MC spacer has been removed
> without
> consideration for the detail that I have just
> mentioned.
> 
> 
> Jarrid Gross
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-alpines@autox.team.net
> [mailto:owner-alpines@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
> Ian Spencer
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 1:32 PM
> To: Al Adams
> Cc: alpines@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Brakes binding and overheating.
> 
> 
> Sounds like you still have air in the line. It can
> be very tough to get all
> the air out after a complete rebuild when all the
> lines have been drained.
> 
> Al Adams wrote:
> 
> > Many thanks to everyone who responded to my brake
> problem.
> >
> > Jan's suggestion that the replacement MC may not
> match the original
> > seems to be answer.  I removed the new MC and took
> it apart to inspect
> > the "innards" and compare them to the original MC
> that I had replaced.
> > There were a few of the same parts, but most of
> them were different.
> > The outside measurements of the unit itself were
> not the same, either.
> >
> > I reinstalled the original MC and took it for a
> test drive.  After
> > several miles of travel and with lots of extra
> brake use, there was no
> > binding or overheating.  Everything was
> comparatively cool when I
> > arrived home.  Although I've rebuilt the original
> MC and the bore looked
> > good at rebuild,  I still have to pump the brakes
> to get them to hold.
> > I guess I'll need to have it resleeved and try to
> use it.  At $120 each,
> > I can't afford to keep buying new MCs until I find
> one that works.
> >
> > >From some of the responses I received, it looks
> like the car should be
> > fitted with a brake servo, but it isn't.   Should
> I try to locate one?
> > Are they really needed?  Could the absence of the
> servo have anything to
> > do with the problem of having to pump the brakes
> with the original,
> > rebuilt MC?  Suggestions on vendors for resleeving
> the MC?
> >
> > It looks like the solution created more questions.
>   Thanks again to
> > everyone.
> >
> > Al Adams
> > Brandon, MS

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