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Hi - I looked at that setup when it was first out, maybe the mid-90's. It'=
s a very good setup. I think it would be better if there was a way to accom=
modate a remote reservoir so there'd be more fluid to reduce heat-related i=
ssues, but that's only applicable to a hard-core application. But regarding=
suspension motion, that is the ideal setup for a tube shock with the stock=
spring setup.
Regards,Bob Lang
On Sunday, May 17, 2020, 12:26:28 PM EDT, Jim Jones via 6pack <6pack@au=
tox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
I=E2=80=99m chiming in later on this, but has anyone looked into the Revin=
gton coil over conversion?=C2=A0https://www.revingtontr.com/product/rtr3003=
spk/name/damper-conversion-kit-rear-tr4a-6=C2=A0
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 12:06 PM, Ashford Little via 6pack <6pack@autox.=
team.net> wrote:
Does any of this help with mental fatigue? =C2=A0
Ashford Littleralittle2@mac.com
On May 13, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Richard via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
Ah Mitch....you cheated!!=20
Dick=20
On May 13, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Mitchel Seff <ms6453@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with Dicks explanation of preparation and function. I=E2=80=99m not=
denying the failures but rather try and understand why each particular fai=
lure happened. I have also had the VB tube shock bracket with KYB gas shock=
on my car for over twenty years with out any failure or sign of metal fati=
gue. I also took the extra precaution of adding a support bracket.=20
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Mitch Seff
On May 12, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Richard Taylor via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net=
> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFMy message here, as told before on different TR6 forums, is that i=
f one wants to convert from lever shocks to tube shocks, it is prudent that=
when the trailing arm rises the trailing arm bump stop(s) take the force, =
and not the shock attachment points. This can be checked by removing the ro=
ad spring and manual lifting the TA up to see where contact is made. In my =
case, when done approx. 10 years and around 70,000 miles ago. A 1/8 inch sp=
acer was added where it screws to the new TA bump rubbers. Also some shifti=
ng around to the shock bump rubbers, so that there was room left in the sho=
ck stroke when hard contact was made between the bump stop and the bump rub=
bers. Also note here that i=E2=80=99m running the =E2=80=9Csemi-comp=E2=80=
=9D road springs, so it=E2=80=99s not often that all of the spring compress=
ion takes place.=20
I write this not to defend the tube shock conversion, but to show that this=
conversion needs to be checked out to be sure the above takes place. And n=
o, the attachment point from my conversion has never torn loose or welded a=
t any time. I do view this area each time the road wheel is removed for som=
e other reason.=20
So far as what I look for regarding shock operation is not all that scienti=
fic. Just press down with my weight on the rear fenders several times and w=
atch the action, I want both bounce and rebound to show a good damping effe=
ct.=20
In place is the KYB silver shock conversion, purchased from VB. (A birthday=
gift from my bride of 30 years)=20
Dick=20
On May 12, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Glenn Franco via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
The rear shock conversion sold by the likes of Moss Motors, TRF, Vicky Brit=
, and others is likely going to result in the shock crossmember being fract=
ured at the weld to the frame. I have fixed a few of these and this is a we=
ll known failure mode. The best practice if you are going to use these is t=
o fashion a diagonal brace from the upper shock mount 45 deg down to the fr=
ame. I have seen some made from angle but I made a number of these from 1" =
thick wall tube.
The problem with this conversion is its to simple to attach but it imparts =
fore aft loads on the crossmember that causes fractures and then if fails c=
ompletely and detaches from the frame.
The lever shocks do not cause fore aft loads and therefore no issues. We ju=
st had another club member suffer such a failure of the shock crossmember.
If you ever have to fix one of these your in for a treat since not only doe=
s it pull away from the frame but it tends to twist that crossmember.
This bracket should not be confused with the one TRF sold that the upper sh=
ock mount attaches to the inner rear wheel well. That one has its own issue=
s.
Good luck with that
Glenn
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it would be better if there was a way to accommodate a remote reservoir so =
there'd be more fluid to reduce heat-related issues, but that's only applic=
able to a hard-core application. But regarding suspension motion, that is t=
he ideal setup for a tube shock with the stock spring setup.</div><div dir=
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I=E2=80=99m chiming in later on this, but has anyone looked into the Reving=
ton coil over conversion? <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://www.reving=
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<div><br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none"><blockquote clas=
s=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv09=
32355640yqt9068940614" id=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640yqtfd87528"><div class=
=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640">On May 13, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Richard via 6pac=
k <<a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" href=3D"mailto:6=
pack@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">6pack@autox.team.ne=
t</a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640Apple-interchang=
e-newline" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640"><di=
v class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640"><div class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640=
yqt9068940614" id=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640yqtfd38563">Ah Mitch....you ch=
eated!! <br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"=
ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none">Dick <br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv09=
32355640" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"no=
ne"><blockquote class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" type=3D"cite">On May 13,=
2020, at 3:32 PM, Mitchel Seff <<a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp57f702b7y=
iv0932355640" href=3D"mailto:ms6453@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_=
blank">ms6453@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640=
" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none">I ag=
ree with Dicks explanation of preparation and function. I=E2=80=99m not den=
ying the failures but rather try and understand why each particular failure=
happened. I have also had the VB tube shock bracket with KYB gas shock on =
my car for over twenty years with out any failure or sign of metal fatigue.=
I also took the extra precaution of adding a support bracket. <br class=3D=
"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none"><image0.jpeg><br class=3D"y=
dp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv09323556=
40" clear=3D"none"><image1.jpeg><br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640=
" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none"><br =
class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"ydp57f702b7y=
iv0932355640" clear=3D"none">Mitch Seff<br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv093235564=
0" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none"><bl=
ockquote class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" type=3D"cite"><blockquote class=
=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" type=3D"cite"><blockquote class=3D"ydp57f702b=
7yiv0932355640" type=3D"cite">On May 12, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Richard Taylor v=
ia 6pack <<a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" href=3D"m=
ailto:6pack@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">6pack@autox.=
team.net</a>> wrote:<br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none=
"></blockquote>=EF=BB=BFMy message here, as told before on different TR6 fo=
rums, is that if one wants to convert from lever shocks to tube shocks, it =
is prudent that when the trailing arm rises the trailing arm bump stop(s) t=
ake the force, and not the shock attachment points. This can be checked by =
removing the road spring and manual lifting the TA up to see where contact =
is made. In my case, when done approx. 10 years and around 70,000 miles ago=
. A 1/8 inch spacer was added where it screws to the new TA bump rubbers. A=
lso some shifting around to the shock bump rubbers, so that there was room =
left in the shock stroke when hard contact was made between the bump stop a=
nd the bump rubbers. Also note here that i=E2=80=99m running the =E2=80=9Cs=
emi-comp=E2=80=9D road springs, so it=E2=80=99s not often that all of the s=
pring compression takes place. <br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=
=3D"none">I write this not to defend the tube shock conversion, but to show=
that this conversion needs to be checked out to be sure the above takes pl=
ace. And no, the attachment point from my conversion has never torn loose o=
r welded at any time. I do view this area each time the road wheel is remov=
ed for some other reason. <br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"n=
one">So far as what I look for regarding shock operation is not all that sc=
ientific. Just press down with my weight on the rear fenders several times =
and watch the action, I want both bounce and rebound to show a good damping=
effect. <br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none">In place is =
the KYB silver shock conversion, purchased from VB. (A birthday gift from m=
y bride of 30 years) <br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none">=
<br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none">Dick <br class=3D"ydp=
57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none"><blockquote class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv09=
32355640" type=3D"cite">On May 12, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Glenn Franco via 6pack=
<<a shape=3D"rect" class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" href=3D"mailto:6p=
ack@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">6pack@autox.team.net=
</a>> wrote:<br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none"></bloc=
kquote>The rear shock conversion sold by the likes of Moss Motors, TRF, Vic=
ky Brit, and others is likely going to result in the shock crossmember bein=
g fractured at the weld to the frame. I have fixed a few of these and this =
is a well known failure mode. The best practice if you are going to use the=
se is to fashion a diagonal brace from the upper shock mount 45 deg down to=
the frame. I have seen some made from angle but I made a number of these f=
rom 1" thick wall tube.<br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none=
">The problem with this conversion is its to simple to attach but it impart=
s fore aft loads on the crossmember that causes fractures and then if fails=
completely and detaches from the frame.<br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv09323556=
40" clear=3D"none">The lever shocks do not cause fore aft loads and therefo=
re no issues. We just had another club member suffer such a failure of the =
shock crossmember.<br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none">If =
you ever have to fix one of these your in for a treat since not only does i=
t pull away from the frame but it tends to twist that crossmember.<br class=
=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0932355640" clear=3D"none">This bracket should not be con=
fused with the one TRF sold that the upper shock mount attaches to the inne=
r rear wheel well. That one has its own issues.<br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv0=
932355640" clear=3D"none">Good luck with that<br class=3D"ydp57f702b7yiv093=
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