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Does any of this help with mental fatigue? =20
Ashford Little
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> On May 13, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Richard via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
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> Ah Mitch....you cheated!!=20
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> Dick=20
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>> On May 13, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Mitchel Seff <ms6453@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I agree with Dicks explanation of preparation and function. I=E2=80=99m=
not denying the failures but rather try and understand why each =
particular failure happened. I have also had the VB tube shock bracket =
with KYB gas shock on my car for over twenty years with out any failure =
or sign of metal fatigue. I also took the extra precaution of adding a =
support bracket.=20
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>> Mitch Seff
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>>>>> On May 12, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Richard Taylor via 6pack =
<6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> =EF=BB=BFMy message here, as told before on different TR6 forums, =
is that if one wants to convert from lever shocks to tube shocks, it is =
prudent that when the trailing arm rises the trailing arm bump stop(s) =
take the force, and not the shock attachment points. This can be checked =
by removing the road spring and manual lifting the TA up to see where =
contact is made. In my case, when done approx. 10 years and around =
70,000 miles ago. A 1/8 inch spacer was added where it screws to the new =
TA bump rubbers. Also some shifting around to the shock bump rubbers, so =
that there was room left in the shock stroke when hard contact was made =
between the bump stop and the bump rubbers. Also note here that i=E2=80=99=
m running the =E2=80=9Csemi-comp=E2=80=9D road springs, so it=E2=80=99s =
not often that all of the spring compression takes place.=20
>>>> I write this not to defend the tube shock conversion, but to show =
that this conversion needs to be checked out to be sure the above takes =
place. And no, the attachment point from my conversion has never torn =
loose or welded at any time. I do view this area each time the road =
wheel is removed for some other reason.=20
>>>> So far as what I look for regarding shock operation is not all that =
scientific. Just press down with my weight on the rear fenders several =
times and watch the action, I want both bounce and rebound to show a =
good damping effect.=20
>>>> In place is the KYB silver shock conversion, purchased from VB. (A =
birthday gift from my bride of 30 years)=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Dick=20
>>>>> On May 12, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Glenn Franco via 6pack =
<6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> The rear shock conversion sold by the likes of Moss Motors, TRF, =
Vicky Brit, and others is likely going to result in the shock =
crossmember being fractured at the weld to the frame. I have fixed a few =
of these and this is a well known failure mode. The best practice if you =
are going to use these is to fashion a diagonal brace from the upper =
shock mount 45 deg down to the frame. I have seen some made from angle =
but I made a number of these from 1" thick wall tube.
>>>> The problem with this conversion is its to simple to attach but it =
imparts fore aft loads on the crossmember that causes fractures and then =
if fails completely and detaches from the frame.
>>>> The lever shocks do not cause fore aft loads and therefore no =
issues. We just had another club member suffer such a failure of the =
shock crossmember.
>>>> If you ever have to fix one of these your in for a treat since not =
only does it pull away from the frame but it tends to twist that =
crossmember.
>>>> This bracket should not be confused with the one TRF sold that the =
upper shock mount attaches to the inner rear wheel well. That one has =
its own issues.
>>>> Good luck with that
>>>> Glenn
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<div style=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On May 13, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Richard via 6pack <<a =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">6pack@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">Ah =
Mitch....you cheated!! <br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Dick <br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On May =
13, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Mitchel Seff <<a href=3D"mailto:ms6453@gmail.com"=
class=3D"">ms6453@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I=
agree with Dicks explanation of preparation and function. I=E2=80=99m =
not denying the failures but rather try and understand why each =
particular failure happened. I have also had the VB tube shock bracket =
with KYB gas shock on my car for over twenty years with out any failure =
or sign of metal fatigue. I also took the extra precaution of adding a =
support bracket. <br class=3D""><image0.jpeg><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><image1.jpeg><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Mitch Seff<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On May 12, 2020, at 4:47 =
PM, Richard Taylor via 6pack <<a href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">6pack@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br =
class=3D""></blockquote>=EF=BB=BFMy message here, as told before on =
different TR6 forums, is that if one wants to convert from lever shocks =
to tube shocks, it is prudent that when the trailing arm rises the =
trailing arm bump stop(s) take the force, and not the shock attachment =
points. This can be checked by removing the road spring and manual =
lifting the TA up to see where contact is made. In my case, when done =
approx. 10 years and around 70,000 miles ago. A 1/8 inch spacer was =
added where it screws to the new TA bump rubbers. Also some shifting =
around to the shock bump rubbers, so that there was room left in the =
shock stroke when hard contact was made between the bump stop and the =
bump rubbers. Also note here that i=E2=80=99m running the =
=E2=80=9Csemi-comp=E2=80=9D road springs, so it=E2=80=99s not often that =
all of the spring compression takes place. <br class=3D"">I write this =
not to defend the tube shock conversion, but to show that this =
conversion needs to be checked out to be sure the above takes place. And =
no, the attachment point from my conversion has never torn loose or =
welded at any time. I do view this area each time the road wheel is =
removed for some other reason. <br class=3D"">So far as what I look for =
regarding shock operation is not all that scientific. Just press down =
with my weight on the rear fenders several times and watch the action, I =
want both bounce and rebound to show a good damping effect. <br =
class=3D"">In place is the KYB silver shock conversion, purchased from =
VB. (A birthday gift from my bride of 30 years) <br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Dick <br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On =
May 12, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Glenn Franco via 6pack <<a =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">6pack@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br =
class=3D""></blockquote>The rear shock conversion sold by the likes of =
Moss Motors, TRF, Vicky Brit, and others is likely going to result in =
the shock crossmember being fractured at the weld to the frame. I have =
fixed a few of these and this is a well known failure mode. The best =
practice if you are going to use these is to fashion a diagonal brace =
from the upper shock mount 45 deg down to the frame. I have seen some =
made from angle but I made a number of these from 1" thick wall tube.<br =
class=3D"">The problem with this conversion is its to simple to attach =
but it imparts fore aft loads on the crossmember that causes fractures =
and then if fails completely and detaches from the frame.<br =
class=3D"">The lever shocks do not cause fore aft loads and therefore no =
issues. We just had another club member suffer such a failure of the =
shock crossmember.<br class=3D"">If you ever have to fix one of these =
your in for a treat since not only does it pull away from the frame but =
it tends to twist that crossmember.<br class=3D"">This bracket should =
not be confused with the one TRF sold that the upper shock mount =
attaches to the inner rear wheel well. That one has its own issues.<br =
class=3D"">Good luck with that<br class=3D"">Glenn<br =
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