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I=E2=80=99m chiming in later on this, but has anyone looked into the Reving=
ton coil over conversion?=C2=A0https://www.revingtontr.com/product/rtr3003s=
pk/name/damper-conversion-kit-rear-tr4a-6=C2=A0
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On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 12:06 PM, Ashford Little via 6pack <6pack@autox.=
team.net> wrote:
Does any of this help with mental fatigue? =C2=A0
Ashford Littleralittle2@mac.com
On May 13, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Richard via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
Ah Mitch....you cheated!!=20
Dick=20
On May 13, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Mitchel Seff <ms6453@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with Dicks explanation of preparation and function. I=E2=80=99m not=
denying the failures but rather try and understand why each particular fai=
lure happened. I have also had the VB tube shock bracket with KYB gas shock=
on my car for over twenty years with out any failure or sign of metal fati=
gue. I also took the extra precaution of adding a support bracket.=20
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Mitch Seff
On May 12, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Richard Taylor via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net=
> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFMy message here, as told before on different TR6 forums, is that i=
f one wants to convert from lever shocks to tube shocks, it is prudent that=
when the trailing arm rises the trailing arm bump stop(s) take the force, =
and not the shock attachment points. This can be checked by removing the ro=
ad spring and manual lifting the TA up to see where contact is made. In my =
case, when done approx. 10 years and around 70,000 miles ago. A 1/8 inch sp=
acer was added where it screws to the new TA bump rubbers. Also some shifti=
ng around to the shock bump rubbers, so that there was room left in the sho=
ck stroke when hard contact was made between the bump stop and the bump rub=
bers. Also note here that i=E2=80=99m running the =E2=80=9Csemi-comp=E2=80=
=9D road springs, so it=E2=80=99s not often that all of the spring compress=
ion takes place.=20
I write this not to defend the tube shock conversion, but to show that this=
conversion needs to be checked out to be sure the above takes place. And n=
o, the attachment point from my conversion has never torn loose or welded a=
t any time. I do view this area each time the road wheel is removed for som=
e other reason.=20
So far as what I look for regarding shock operation is not all that scienti=
fic. Just press down with my weight on the rear fenders several times and w=
atch the action, I want both bounce and rebound to show a good damping effe=
ct.=20
In place is the KYB silver shock conversion, purchased from VB. (A birthday=
gift from my bride of 30 years)=20
Dick=20
On May 12, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Glenn Franco via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
The rear shock conversion sold by the likes of Moss Motors, TRF, Vicky Brit=
, and others is likely going to result in the shock crossmember being fract=
ured at the weld to the frame. I have fixed a few of these and this is a we=
ll known failure mode. The best practice if you are going to use these is t=
o fashion a diagonal brace from the upper shock mount 45 deg down to the fr=
ame. I have seen some made from angle but I made a number of these from 1" =
thick wall tube.
The problem with this conversion is its to simple to attach but it imparts =
fore aft loads on the crossmember that causes fractures and then if fails c=
ompletely and detaches from the frame.
The lever shocks do not cause fore aft loads and therefore no issues. We ju=
st had another club member suffer such a failure of the shock crossmember.
If you ever have to fix one of these your in for a treat since not only doe=
s it pull away from the frame but it tends to twist that crossmember.
This bracket should not be confused with the one TRF sold that the upper sh=
ock mount attaches to the inner rear wheel well. That one has its own issue=
s.
Good luck with that
Glenn
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class=3D"iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv0325426009"><div>Does any of this help wit=
h mental fatigue? <br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009"><div cla=
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<div style=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009"><blockquote clas=
s=3D"yiv0325426009" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"yiv0325426009yqt9068940614"=
id=3D"yiv0325426009yqtfd87528"><div class=3D"yiv0325426009">On May 13, 202=
0, at 6:55 PM, Richard via 6pack <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" cla=
ss=3D"yiv0325426009" ymailto=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@autox.team.net</a>> wrote=
:</div><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009Apple-interchange-newline">=
</div><div class=3D"yiv0325426009"><div class=3D"yiv0325426009"><div class=
=3D"yiv0325426009yqt9068940614" id=3D"yiv0325426009yqtfd38563">Ah Mitch....=
you cheated!! <br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009"><br clear=3D"none"=
class=3D"yiv0325426009">Dick <br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009"><b=
r clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009"><blockquote class=3D"yiv0325426009=
" type=3D"cite">On May 13, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Mitchel Seff <<a rel=3D"nof=
ollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv0325426009" ymailto=3D"mailto:ms6453@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:ms6453@gmail.com";>ms6453@gmail.com<=
/a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009"><br clear=3D"none"=
class=3D"yiv0325426009">I agree with Dicks explanation of preparation and =
function. I=E2=80=99m not denying the failures but rather try and understan=
d why each particular failure happened. I have also had the VB tube shock b=
racket with KYB gas shock on my car for over twenty years with out any fail=
ure or sign of metal fatigue. I also took the extra precaution of adding a =
support bracket. <br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009"><image0.jpeg=
><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"=
yiv0325426009"><image1.jpeg><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009=
"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yi=
v0325426009"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009">Mitch Seff<br clear=
=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009=
"><blockquote class=3D"yiv0325426009" type=3D"cite"><blockquote class=3D"yi=
v0325426009" type=3D"cite"><blockquote class=3D"yiv0325426009" type=3D"cite=
">On May 12, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Richard Taylor via 6pack <<a rel=3D"nofol=
low" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv0325426009" ymailto=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.t=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@autox=
.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009"></blockq=
uote>=EF=BB=BFMy message here, as told before on different TR6 forums, is t=
hat if one wants to convert from lever shocks to tube shocks, it is prudent=
that when the trailing arm rises the trailing arm bump stop(s) take the fo=
rce, and not the shock attachment points. This can be checked by removing t=
he road spring and manual lifting the TA up to see where contact is made. I=
n my case, when done approx. 10 years and around 70,000 miles ago. A 1/8 in=
ch spacer was added where it screws to the new TA bump rubbers. Also some s=
hifting around to the shock bump rubbers, so that there was room left in th=
e shock stroke when hard contact was made between the bump stop and the bum=
p rubbers. Also note here that i=E2=80=99m running the =E2=80=9Csemi-comp=
=E2=80=9D road springs, so it=E2=80=99s not often that all of the spring co=
mpression takes place. <br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009">I write t=
his not to defend the tube shock conversion, but to show that this conversi=
on needs to be checked out to be sure the above takes place. And no, the at=
tachment point from my conversion has never torn loose or welded at any tim=
e. I do view this area each time the road wheel is removed for some other r=
eason. <br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009">So far as what I look for=
regarding shock operation is not all that scientific. Just press down with=
my weight on the rear fenders several times and watch the action, I want b=
oth bounce and rebound to show a good damping effect. <br clear=3D"none" cl=
ass=3D"yiv0325426009">In place is the KYB silver shock conversion, purchase=
d from VB. (A birthday gift from my bride of 30 years) <br clear=3D"none" c=
lass=3D"yiv0325426009"><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009">Dick <br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009"><blockquote class=3D"yiv0325426009" =
type=3D"cite">On May 12, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Glenn Franco via 6pack <<a re=
l=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv0325426009" ymailto=3D"mailto:6pa=
ck@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6=
pack@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009=
"></blockquote>The rear shock conversion sold by the likes of Moss Motors, =
TRF, Vicky Brit, and others is likely going to result in the shock crossmem=
ber being fractured at the weld to the frame. I have fixed a few of these a=
nd this is a well known failure mode. The best practice if you are going to=
use these is to fashion a diagonal brace from the upper shock mount 45 deg=
down to the frame. I have seen some made from angle but I made a number of=
these from 1" thick wall tube.<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009">T=
he problem with this conversion is its to simple to attach but it imparts f=
ore aft loads on the crossmember that causes fractures and then if fails co=
mpletely and detaches from the frame.<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426=
009">The lever shocks do not cause fore aft loads and therefore no issues. =
We just had another club member suffer such a failure of the shock crossmem=
ber.<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009">If you ever have to fix one =
of these your in for a treat since not only does it pull away from the fram=
e but it tends to twist that crossmember.<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv032=
5426009">This bracket should not be confused with the one TRF sold that the=
upper shock mount attaches to the inner rear wheel well. That one has its =
own issues.<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv0325426009">Good luck with that<b=
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