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What? ! And spoil all the fun??
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From: Steve Kirby=20
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint
ooooops, John is absolutely right. I should have looked at my "cans" =
of junk before writing such a treatise. I now realize how I made that =
mistake. I use to use PPG DP40 epoxy sealer, and an etching stuff prior =
to that (a yellow/greenie looking product). Somewhere along there, the =
guy I work with said you really didn't need to use the etching stuff =
anymore, as as the DP40 would be fine without it.
Then, to make matters worse "in my mind", I started using SEM and UPol =
"self etching primer" in spray cans, again on the advice of the same =
guy, when I would occassionaly sand through, or whatever, the epoxy =
sealer. My "guy" said that would be fine, and totally compatible with =
the DP40 type products (I now use a similar type product,made by TCP =
(which I believe is made by ValSpar, rather than the $$$$ PPG DP40, or =
even the PPG Omni line). Thus, somehow in the back recesses of the =
remnants of my withering brain, the two products somewhat merged and =
became "self-etching epoxy sealer". John is 100% correct, ain't no such =
animal. =20
What I will say, is that on the last 3 cars (well, 2 cars, one large =
truck) I have skipped the etching stage completely, and gone completely =
with the epoxy sealer, as the first step. Have not had one problem . . =
. again, on the advice of a respected auto body supplier person. Guess =
that is partially how I derived the "new (so new, it hasn't been =
invented yet!) product: self-etching epoxy sealer! Throw in the =
self-etching spray cans of primer, which was recommended to use on =
whatever bare metal areas might occur, and that completed my erroneous =
mental route.
The next time I attempt such a discourse, I think I best mosey up to =
my shop, and check the cans of stuff I'm talking about. =20
#2SteveK
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From: John Elwood=20
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint
I've never heard of " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic sealer ". =
Always thought it was one or the other... Either an etch primer, or a =
epoxy, not both... What product is " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic =
sealer "? Google gives me nothing.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>What? ! And spoil all the =
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<DIV>ooooops, John is absolutely right. I should have =
looked at my=20
"cans" of junk before writing such a treatise. I now realize how =
I made=20
that mistake. I use to use PPG DP40 epoxy sealer, and an etching =
stuff=20
prior to that (a yellow/greenie looking product). =
Somewhere along=20
there, the guy I work with said you really didn't need to use the =
etching=20
stuff anymore, as as the DP40 would be fine without it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Then, to make matters worse "in my mind", I started using SEM and =
UPol=20
"self etching primer" in spray cans, again on the advice of the same =
guy, when=20
I would occassionaly sand through, or whatever, the epoxy =
sealer. My=20
"guy" said that would be fine, and totally compatible with the =
DP40 type=20
products (I now use a similar type product,made by TCP (which I =
believe is=20
made by ValSpar, rather than the $$$$ PPG DP40, or even the PPG Omni=20
line). Thus, somehow in the back recesses of the remnants of my=20
withering brain, the two products somewhat merged and became =
"self-etching=20
epoxy sealer". John is 100% correct, ain't no such animal. =
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What I will say, is that on the last 3 cars (well, 2 cars, one =
large=20
truck) I have skipped the etching stage completely, and gone =
completely with=20
the epoxy sealer, as the first step. Have not had one problem . =
. .=20
again, on the advice of a respected auto body supplier person. =
Guess=20
that is partially how I derived the "new (so new, it hasn't been =
invented=20
yet!) product: self-etching epoxy sealer! Throw in the=20
self-etching spray cans of primer, which was recommended to use on =
whatever=20
bare metal areas might occur, and that completed my erroneous mental=20
route.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The next time I attempt such a discourse, I think I best mosey up =
to my=20
shop, and check the cans of stuff I'm talking about. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>#2SteveK</DIV></DIV>
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Paint</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I've never heard of " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic =
sealer=20
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primer, or=20
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