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John, I had forgotten the wiper motor error.  There were some other omission=
s that I can't remember.    Would be good have "corrected" copy.  Mine is 11=
x17 and is a good workable size for me.  I had one made that was a good 3 or=
 4 times as big.  It proved to be too big to work with easily. Arch

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins <wrench@attglobal.net> wrote:

> Rick and Allen:
>     As I'm sitting in hotel rooms, I could reproduce the wiring diagram in=
 Visio and color the wires in as correct a color as Visio will allow.  Then o=
utput it as a PDF file that anyone could print on either 8.5 by 11 or 11 by 1=
7 paper.  We could even use this to fix the problem with the wiper motor wir=
ing that is in the factory shop manual.
>     Perkins
>=20
> On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg wrote:
>> Allen et al.,
>>=20
>> Regarding (1):  I would be happy to scan the wiring diagrams from the sho=
p manual.  My scanner is a cheap hp printer, but it could produce a workable=
 digital image.  Then anyone could print and laminate their own from the dig=
ital file. =20
>>=20
>> If you want an artistic version, suitable for framing, you might want to u=
se a better scanner though.
>>=20
>> Let me know if you want a digital scan.
>>=20
>> --Rick
>>=20
>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>=20
>>> In a recent phone conversation with one of our own, two concerns arose w=
hich I promised to address about a week ago.  I apologize for the delay, but=
 my past week has been memorable for its interruptions. =20
>>>=20
>>> Two questions:
>>> 1.)  Is there somebody in our noble band who either could or would be in=
terested in making up enlarged wiring diagrams for the Magnette. I know ther=
e are at least four of them, and maybe some choices would have to be made, b=
ut did somebody volunteer that they could provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram c=
opy either laminated or suitable for lamination? If you are not such a perso=
n but have access to equipment that could produce same, for a PRICE of cours=
e, I can guaranty you sales of two of these from the get-go.  I know we disc=
ussed this at some time but cannot recall how we left it.
>>>=20
>>> 2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread a year or two ago, and somebo=
dy found that Pilkington (?name?) had a US distribution center (somewhere in=
 Ohio?) from which                 we might be able to expect a supply of ne=
w windscreens.  Is there a follow-up story here? There are those of us who e=
ither need one or would buy one as a spare should they become available.  On=
ce again, any new information about this would certainly be welcome.  I know=
 the nightmare Steve Hanegan went through to land a shipment of windscreens a=
nd rear Varitone glasses here in the US of A.  I suspect a good many of thos=
e of us of the Varitone persuasion would be cheered to find a stash of these=
 bits available in North America, but I wouldn't wish this task on Steve aga=
in for anything.  So... can anybody report anything new on this concern?
>>>=20
>>> Many thanks to anybody who can contribute to this conversation!
>>>=20
>>> Holiday Cheers,
>>> Allen
>>> ****************************************************************
>>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>John, I had forgotten the wiper 
motor error. &nbsp;There were some other omissions that I can't remember. 
&nbsp; &nbsp;Would be good have "corrected" copy. &nbsp;Mine is 11x17 and is a 
good workable size for me. &nbsp;I had one made that was a good 3 or 4 times as 
big. &nbsp;It proved to be too big to work with easily. Arch<br><br>Sent from 
my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins &lt;<a 
href="mailto:wrench@attglobal.net";>wrench@attglobal.net</a>&gt; 
wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Rick and Allen:<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As I'm sitting in hotel rooms, I could reproduce the 
wiring
      diagram in Visio and color the wires in as correct a color as
      Visio will allow.&nbsp; Then output it as a PDF file that anyone could
      print on either 8.5 by 11 or 11 by 17 paper.&nbsp; We could even use
      this to fix the problem with the wiper motor wiring that is in the
      factory shop manual.<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Perkins<br>
      <br>
      On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:9F7BE024-72B1-496F-85BD-38F5D0EEE581@lpl.arizona.edu" 
type="cite">
      <div>Allen et al.,</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Regarding (1): &nbsp;I would be happy to scan the wiring diagrams
        from the shop manual. &nbsp;My scanner is a cheap hp printer, but it
        could produce a workable digital image. &nbsp;Then anyone could print
        and laminate their own from the digital file. &nbsp;</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>If you want an artistic version, suitable for framing, you
        might want to use a better scanner though.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Let me know if you want a digital scan.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>--Rick</div>
      <br>
      <div>
        <div>On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:</div>
        <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
            -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">In a recent phone
            conversation with one of our own, two concerns arose which I
            promised to address about a week ago. &nbsp;I apologize for the
            delay, but my past week has been memorable for its
            interruptions. &nbsp;
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Two questions:</div>
            <blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin:
              0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;">
              <div>1.) &nbsp;Is there somebody in our noble band who either
                could or would be interested in making up enlarged
                wiring diagrams for the Magnette. I know there are at
                least four of them, and maybe some choices would have to
                be made, but did somebody volunteer that they could
                provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram copy either laminated
                or suitable for lamination? If you are not such a person
                but have access to equipment that could produce same,
                for a PRICE of course, I can guaranty you sales of two
                of these from the get-go. &nbsp;I know we discussed this at
                some time but cannot recall how we left it.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread a year or
                two ago, and somebody found that Pilkington (?name?) had
                a US distribution center (somewhere in Ohio?) from which
                we might be able to expect a supply of new windscreens.
                &nbsp;Is there a follow-up story here? There are those of us
                who either need one or would buy one as a spare should
                they become available. &nbsp;Once again, any new information
                about this would certainly be welcome. &nbsp;I know the
                nightmare Steve Hanegan went through to land a shipment
                of windscreens and rear Varitone glasses here in the US
                of A. &nbsp;I suspect a good many of those of us of the
                Varitone persuasion would be cheered to find a stash of
                these bits available in North America, but I wouldn't
                wish this task on Steve again for anything. &nbsp;So... can
                anybody report anything new on this concern?</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            Many thanks to anybody who can contribute to this
            conversation!
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Holiday Cheers,</div>
            <div>Allen<br>
              <div>
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