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Charlie,
I just looked at the Hi Gear website =
(http://hi-gearengineering.co.uk/content/view/16/31/) and note that the =
Z Magnette kit includes a bell housing designed for the MGA. Could =
this be shorter than the MGB 4-sync one? Further I note that Hi Gear =
offers conversions for both 3-sync and 4-sync MGBs and they claim that =
no holes need to be drilled and no metal needs to be cut. The 4-sync =
trans is longer, so if the MGB Hi Gear kit you're offered is for a =
4-sync car, then the shift lever will come through the tunnel further =
back. =20
Two courses of action:=20
1.) It is likely that the shift lever will not come through as far back =
as the parking brake handle. My yardstick here is the Datsun/Rivergate =
and Rivergate advertises that the shifter will come through the original =
hole on 4-sync MGBs. To make it fit on my Magnette I did have to trim =
the hole back (1-1/2 to 2" is sufficient). I did move the brake handle =
back 1-1/8" and raised the front bracket so the thumb release would =
clear the shifter turret comfortably.
2.) Contact Hi Gear. Tell them what you have and ask what you need to =
make the T9 transmission fit your Magnette. They charge =A3805 for the =
complete kit (not including gearbox) and =A3625 for the gearbox itself. =
That comes out to about $2230 US - so figure your savings on the used =
conversion and calculate how much more you might like to spend before =
you eradicate your savings. I would hope that the only difference =
would be the bell housing and that you could buy just a new one without =
the whole kit - at considerable savings. Maybe you could even get a =
core charge for the one you have.=20
Whatever you do, contact Bruce Woodson about your options. He's =
importing and installing a lot of these now.
Holiday Cheers,
Allen
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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On Dec 2, 2013, at 10:17 AM, charles durning wrote:
> David,
> =20
> I've been offered a used Hi-gear conversion from a wrecked MGB. I did =
some crude measurements and it looks like the shift lever will end up =
back by the parking brake handle. What did you do to resolve that =
problem?=20
> =20
> Charlie Durning
> =20
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> =20
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> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:09 PM, David Halliday <davidh@egopharm.com> =
wrote:
> I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion with the Ford =
type 9 gearbox. It is a great conversion. It fits easily, with very =
little in the way of mods and looks stock from the interior.
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> I just drove my original and standard ZB yesterday. I really miss =
that 5th gear and syncro on 1st and 2nd!
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> Kind regards,
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> David
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> On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne & Isabel Hardy =
<gwhardy@suddenlink.net> wrote:
> Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have experience with a =
210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, requires only a couple =
stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the side =
located tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a hole =
saw clear through and check the level through the side from the inside =
of the cockpit but don=92t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much =
exactly where the old one did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same =
as the Midget box, 4th is direct drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it =
on down the road gear for freeway use...especially if you have already =
gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It gets about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive =
at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st syncro is sure nice too. Very nice =
kit.
> =20
> Wombat
> =20
> From: Allen Bachelder
> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
> =20
> Mike and Charles,
> =20
> Yeah, I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a =
challenge on Lombard Hill! I guess my consideration of rear gears =
presumed the 1800 was already in the picture.
> =20
> I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can =
see I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at =
all - there's plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable. =
Also note that I tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket. It =
clears the tower nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the =
280Z was Rivergate's choice and their kit will not fit the others. They =
liked the extreme durability of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle =
the six-cylinder engine. They do have kits designed to fit the 210 =
five-speed to "A block" engines. Designed for Spridgets, I believe they =
also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep my eye out for these on =
occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, a =
Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up =
front. The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, the =
280Z 5-speeds are drying up also. BTW, there is some activity in the BW =
T5 bull pen. We may have another option before long. Hopefully =
somebody who knows more than I will speak to this.
> =20
> I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be =
more trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very =
little return for your money and effort. It would be nice to capitalize =
on that free one you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the =
2nd-most worthless part on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB =
being a 3sync non-od transmission. If you advertised to MGB guys that =
you were currently accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard =
would be full by morning. Keeping one or two and tearing them down for =
parts makes some sense as the internals can be used in rebuilding od =
boxes. I gave away four of them about two years ago. I have one "spare" =
4-sync od box that I'll will to one of my kids someday. The other kid =
will get the house and everything that's in the bank.
> =20
> Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty =
easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the =
MGB 4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about =
a 2" rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter =
would require about the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' =
Wonder if anybody's tried this with a Triumph TR6 box. After all, a =
Triumph has to be good for something... ;-) ;-) ;-)
> =20
> Cheers,
> Allen
> ****************************************************************
> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
> North Street, MI 48049, USA
> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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> On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:
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>> Allen,
>> =20
>> Thanks for the response. I'm not intending on using a MGB OD =
transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine. My =
concern was with the location of the shifter. I'm thinking that with a =
little fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the =
remote control. I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there. =
I'll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.
>> =20
>> A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he =
removed from a wrecked MGB. It's FREE. I looked it over and it looks =
like the sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever also. =
It looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans. I =
would use it if I can work out relocating the shift lever.
>> =20
>> Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would consider =
using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine. I could =
keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb =
engine.=20
>> =20
>> BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a =
Datsun 200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place.=20
>> =20
>> Charlie Durning
>> =20
>> If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.
>> =20
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>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachelder =
<bachldrs@comcast.net> wrote:
>> As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is with the Datsun 280Z =
five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit. I've done it on =
two different Magnettes. The kit is designed for an MGB so there is a =
bit of fabrication necessary - but it isn't rocket science. The bit in =
question is the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is =
available from either Moss or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a =
purpose-built version for the Magnette.
>> =20
>> Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty =
darn easy. The pictures show the only modifications done to the car. =
Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun =
transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture =
shows how much material was removed from the back of the shifter =
opening. In fact, this is more than necessary, but the third picture =
shows how I dealt with it. I chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in =
case a future owner wants to reverse the conversion. In this sense, in =
answer to frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I =
actually preserved more original MG than I would have with an MG =
transmission. Another advantage to this approach is that the old =
Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring only that the front U-joint =
yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of course has =
it's own front yoke and transmission spline.=20
>> =20
>> If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot. I did =
rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit its =
new location. The PO didn't use a tower at all.
>> =20
>> One more thought. If you're undecided about the transmission choice, =
first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4.3, =
a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9. This is an easy two-hour job. =
You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're happy with =
the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode in =
while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and =
while we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our =
interstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed. For awhile there, I =
started wondering why I had gone to all this effort. But then I get on =
the I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy =
to have my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.
>> =20
>> FWIW,
>> Allen
>> ****************************************************************
>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>> ****************************************************************
>> =20
>> On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:
>>=20
>>> As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in =
my ZA. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so =
much easier to do. The come with everything you need and require almost =
no modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you need to =
build a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, =
speedo gear box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame =
and making a clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the shift =
tower, but do not remember exactly what. I think that covers it all.
>>> --=20
>>> Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my =
brevity.
>>>=20
>>> Steve Kirby <skirby210@cox.net> wrote:
>>> It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to =
offer up this answer, but I will anyway! One of my first, of many, =
mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb =
header set up many of us have purchased. Steve did put a full late B =
synchro in his. I do remember Steve describing the various things he =
had to do. Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is =
much higher than mine. Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've prodded =
him a bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.
>>> =20
>>> #2SteveK
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: LannM@aol.com
>>> To: zmagnette@autox.team.net
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
>>> =20
>>> Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync. =
Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync. The transmission tunnel is =
noticeably different. I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a =
lot of work with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around. Even then, =
its still a tight fit. I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.
>>> =20
>>> I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, =
and probably cheaper.
>>> =20
>>> Lann
>>> =20
>>> In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, =
durningcharles@gmail.com writes:
>>> Robert,
>>> =20
>>> I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work. It would =
still be too far back, not to mention the height. I was thinking about =
eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening =
on the trans where the remote attaches. I still have to get under the =
car and do some measuring to see if that would be close.
>>> =20
>>> It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a =
direct shifter. That would keep me from having to make something.
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Charlie Durning
>>> =20
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM, <monster@caverock.net.nz> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html
>>>=20
>>> On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an =
MGB engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.
>>> It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to =
fit, and a new tunnel.
>>>=20
>>> I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed =
for a 3-synchro box might not be great.
>>> I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, =
eh? :-)
>>>=20
>>> regards,
>>> --=20
>>> Robert
>>>=20
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>>> On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>> Charlie,
>>> Even without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits
>>> high and your going to have to substantially reshape the =
transmission
>>> tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious price to pay for a
>>> synchronized first gear. If you're going to that much trouble, you
>>> might as well go five-speed.
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">Charlie,<div><br></div><div>I just looked at the Hi Gear website (<a =
href=3D"http://hi-gearengineering.co.uk/content/view/16/31/";>http://hi-gea=
rengineering.co.uk/content/view/16/31/</a>) and note that the Z Magnette =
kit includes a bell housing designed for the MGA. Could this =
be shorter than the MGB 4-sync one? Further I note that Hi Gear =
offers conversions for both 3-sync and 4-sync MGBs and they claim that =
no holes need to be drilled and no metal needs to be cut. The =
4-sync trans is longer, so if the MGB Hi Gear kit you're offered =
is for a 4-sync car, then the shift lever will come through the =
tunnel further back. </div><div><br></div><div>Two courses of =
action: </div><div><br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"webkit-indent-blockquote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: =
none; padding: 0px;"><div>1.) It is likely that the shift lever =
will not come through as far back as the parking brake handle. My =
yardstick here is the Datsun/Rivergate and Rivergate advertises that the =
shifter will come through the original hole on 4-sync MGBs. To =
make it fit on my Magnette I did have to trim the hole back (1-1/2 to 2" =
is sufficient). I did move the brake handle back 1-1/8" and raised the =
front bracket so the thumb release would clear the shifter turret =
comfortably.</div><div><br></div><div>2.) Contact Hi Gear. Tell them =
what you have and ask what you need to make the T9 transmission fit your =
Magnette. They charge =A3805 for the complete kit (not including =
gearbox) and =A3625 for the gearbox itself. That comes out to about =
$2230 US - so figure your savings on the used conversion and calculate =
how much more you might like to spend before you eradicate your =
savings. I would hope that the only difference would be the bell =
housing and that you could buy just a new one without the whole kit - at =
considerable savings. Maybe you could even get a core charge for =
the one you have. </div><div><br></div></blockquote>Whatever you =
do, contact Bruce Woodson about your options. He's importing and =
installing a lot of these now.<div><br></div><div>Holiday =
Cheers,</div><div>Allen<br><div><div>
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<br><div><div>On Dec 2, 2013, at 10:17 AM, charles durning =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>David,</div>
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<div>I've been offered a used Hi-gear conversion from a wrecked =
MGB. I did some crude measurements and it looks like the shift =
lever will end up back by the parking brake handle. What =
did you do to resolve that problem? <br clear=3D"all">
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<div>Charlie Durning</div>
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<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is =
watching.</font></div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:09 PM, David =
Halliday <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:davidh@egopharm.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">davidh@egopharm.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion =
with the Ford type 9 gearbox. It is a great conversion. It =
fits easily, with very little in the way of mods and looks stock from =
the interior.<br>
<div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">I just drove my original and standard ZB =
yesterday. I really miss that 5th gear and syncro on 1st and =
2nd!<br clear=3D"all"></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Kind =
regards,<br><br>David<br><br></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne & Isabel =
Hardy <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gwhardy@suddenlink.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">gwhardy@suddenlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font size=3D"4">Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I =
have experience with a 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, =
requires only a couple stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow =
removal of the side located tranny oil check plug. You could if you =
wanted also use a hole saw clear through and check the level through the =
side from the inside of the cockpit but don=92t need to. Gear selector =
comes out pretty much exactly where the old one did, and gears 1-3 are =
almost exactly the same as the Midget box, 4th is direct drive 1 : 1 =
ratio, and 5th is ease it on down the road gear for freeway =
use...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It =
gets about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st =
syncro is sure nice too. Very nice kit.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4"></font> </div>
<div><font size=3D"4">Wombat</font></div>
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<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"bachldrs@comcast.net" =
href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank">Allen =
Bachelder</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM</div>
<div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">List for the =
Z Magnette Group - North America</a> </div></div>
<div>
<div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in =
ZB</div></div></div></div></div>
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<div>Mike and Charles,=20
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<div>Yeah, I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite =
a challenge on Lombard Hill! I guess my consideration of rear =
gears presumed the 1800 was already in the picture. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can =
see I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at =
all - there's plenty of room to take up that much slack in the =
cable. Also note that I tilted the lever up a bit on it's front =
bracket. It clears the tower nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX =
transmissions, the 280Z was Rivergate's choice and their kit will not =
fit the others. They liked the extreme durability of the 280Z - as it =
was designed to handle the six-cylinder engine. They do have kits =
designed to fit the 210 five-speed to "A block" engines. Designed for =
Spridgets, I believe they also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep my =
eye out for these on occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a =
1275, a Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget =
discs up front. The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that =
matter, the 280Z 5-speeds are drying up also. BTW, there is some =
activity in the BW T5 bull pen. We may have another option before =
long. Hopefully somebody who knows more than I will speak to =
this.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be =
more trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very =
little return for your money and effort. It would be nice to =
capitalize on that free one you have - except bear in mind that your =
freeby is the 2nd-most worthless part on an MGB, the most worthless part =
on an MGB being a 3sync non-od transmission. If you advertised to =
MGB guys that you were currently accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your =
front yard would be full by morning. Keeping one or two and tearing them =
down for parts makes some sense as the internals can be used in =
rebuilding od boxes. I gave away four of them about two years ago. =
I have one "spare" 4-sync od box that I'll will to one of my kids =
someday. The other kid will get the house and everything that's in the =
bank. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved =
pretty easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right =
in the MGB 4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter =
requires about a 2" rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the =
4-sync MGB shifter would require about the same. I'm pretty sure it =
would be doable. ' Wonder if anybody's tried this with a Triumph TR6 =
box. After all, a Triumph has to be good for something... =
;-) ;-) ;-) </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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<div>Thanks for the response. I'm not intending on using a MGB OD =
transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine. My =
concern was with the location of the shifter. I'm thinking that =
with a little fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening =
for the remote control. I might even be able to adapt the Magnette =
lever there. I'll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the =
future.</div>
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<div>A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he =
removed from a wrecked MGB. It's FREE. I looked it over and =
it looks like the sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake =
lever also. It looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever =
on that trans. I would use it if I can work out relocating the =
shift lever. </div>
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<div>Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would =
consider using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the =
engine. I could keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough =
to adapt to the 5 mb engine. </div>
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<div>BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a =
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<div>Charlie Durning</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen =
Bachelder <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">bachldrs@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word">As far as I know, the cheapest way =
to do this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and =
a Rivergate kit. I've done it on two different Magnettes. =
The kit is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication =
necessary - but it isn't rocket science. The bit in question is =
the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from =
either Moss or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a purpose-built =
version for the Magnette.=20
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<div>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is =
pretty darn easy. The pictures show the only modifications done to =
the car. Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the =
Datsun transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second =
picture shows how much material was removed from the back of the shifter =
opening. In fact, this is more than necessary, but the third =
picture shows how I dealt with it. I chose not to weld the new =
tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to reverse the =
conversion. In this sense, in answer to frequent criticism, by =
using a Japanese transmission, I actually preserved more original MG =
than I would have with an MG transmission. Another advantage to this =
approach is that the old Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring =
only that the front U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun =
U-joint which of course has it's own front yoke and transmission =
spline. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever =
boot. I did rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with =
a body hammer to fit its new location. The PO didn't use a tower at =
all.</div>
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<div>One more thought. If you're undecided about the transmission =
choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set =
with a 4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9. This is an easy =
two-hour job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're =
happy with the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs =
I rode in while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end =
types, and while we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to =
our interstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed. For awhile =
there, I started wondering why I had gone to all this effort. But =
then I get on the I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and =
I'm sure happy to have my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph =
per 1,000 rpm.</div>
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<div>FWIW,</div>
<div>Allen</div>
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:</div><br>
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<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:arial" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">As Steve K states I =
installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would not even =
consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to do. The =
come with everything you need and require almost no modifications to the =
car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear =
transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box =
and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a =
clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do =
not remember exactly what. I think that covers it all.<br>
--<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </span><br>Sent from my Android =
phone with<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </span><a =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" href=3D"http://mail.com/"; =
target=3D"_blank">mail.com</a><span =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </span>Mail. Please excuse my =
brevity.<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Steve Kirby <<a style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" =
href=3D"mailto:skirby210@cox.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">skirby210@cox.net</a>> wrote:=20
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0pt 0pt 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New =
Roman">It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place =
to offer up this answer, but I will anyway! One of my first, of =
many, mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee =
superb header set up many of us have purchased. Steve did put a =
full late B synchro in his. I do remember Steve describing the =
various things he had to do. Steve is a person of immense talents, =
so his pay grade is much higher than mine. Perhaps Steve will =
answer, now that I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him =
directly.</font></div>
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<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(228,228,228);FONT:10pt =
arial"><b>From:</b><span> </span><a title=3D"LannM@aol.com" =
href=3D"mailto:LannM@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">LannM@aol.com</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b><span> </span><a =
title=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">zmagnette@autox.team.net</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday, =
November 26, 2013 8:29 AM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: =
[Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div><font color=3D"#000000" =
face=3D"Arial">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is =
wider than the 3 sync. Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync. =
The transmission tunnel is noticeably different. I've put a 4 sync =
in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG hammer to move =
sheet metal around. Even then, its still a tight fit. I =
can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed =
would be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Lann </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div>
<div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 =
A.M. Central Standard Time,<span> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:durningcharles@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">durningcharles@gmail.com</a><span> </span>writes:</=
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Robert,</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I didn't think that even modifying the =
remote would work. It would still be too far back, not to mention =
the height. I was thinking about eleminating the remote and =
mounting the shifter directly to the opening on the trans where the =
remote attaches. I still have to get under the car and do some =
measuring to see if that would be close.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">It would be good if some BMC car used the =
4 synchro trans with a direct shifter. That would keep me from =
having to make something.</div>
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 =
at 1:58 AM,<span> </span><span dir=3D"ltr"><<a =
title=3D"mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz"; =
href=3D"mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz"; =
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0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><a =
title=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website pages/Dads_Oxford.html" =
href=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html"; =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.beardmorebros.co.<u></u>uk/website%20pages/Da=
ds_<u></u>Oxford.html</a><br>
<br>On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an =
MGB engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.<br>It =
includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, and =
a new tunnel.<br>
<br>I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed =
for a 3-synchro box might not be great.<br>I also love the sound of the =
non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? =
:-)<br><br>regards,<br>--<span> </span><br>
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<div><br><br>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:<br>
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0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Charlie,<br>Even =
without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits<br>high and =
your going to have to substantially reshape the transmission<br>
tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious price to pay for =
a<br>synchronized first gear. If you're going to that much trouble, =
you<br>might as well go =
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