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Somewhere around here I have notes from Dave Liveley? giving directions for a=
DIY 5 speed conversion. If anyone is interested I will try to find the not=
es. His directions were rather complete. Strange that no transmission made=
in this century can be utilized. Arch
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 1, 2013, at 8:09 PM, David Halliday <davidh@egopharm.com> wrote:
> I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion with the Ford type 9=
gearbox. It is a great conversion. It fits easily, with very little in th=
e way of mods and looks stock from the interior.
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> I just drove my original and standard ZB yesterday. I really miss that 5t=
h gear and syncro on 1st and 2nd!
>=20
> Kind regards,
>=20
> David
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> On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne & Isabel Hardy <gwhardy@suddenlink.net> w=
rote:
> Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have experience with a 210=
tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, requires only a couple stout s=
macks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the side located tranny o=
il check plug. You could if you wanted also use a hole saw clear through and=
check the level through the side from the inside of the cockpit but don=E2=80=
=99t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much exactly where the old one d=
id, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same as the Midget box, 4th is dire=
ct drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it on down the road gear for freeway u=
se...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It gets=
about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st syncro i=
s sure nice too. Very nice kit.
> =20
> Wombat
> =20
> From: Allen Bachelder
> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
> =20
> Mike and Charles,
> =20
> Yeah, I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a challenge o=
n Lombard Hill! I guess my consideration of rear gears presumed the 1800 wa=
s already in the picture.
> =20
> I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can see I'=
ve moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at all - there=
's plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable. Also note that I=
tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket. It clears the tower nicel=
y. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z was Rivergate's choi=
ce and their kit will not fit the others. They liked the extreme durability o=
f the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the six-cylinder engine. They do h=
ave kits designed to fit the 210 five-speed to "A block" engines. Designed f=
or Spridgets, I believe they also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep my eye=
out for these on occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, a=
Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up front.=
The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, the 280Z 5-speeds=
are drying up also. BTW, there is some activity in the BW T5 bull pen. We=
may have another option before long. Hopefully somebody who knows more tha=
n I will speak to this.
> =20
> I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be more tr=
ouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little return f=
or your money and effort. It would be nice to capitalize on that free one y=
ou have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the 2nd-most worthless par=
t on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a 3sync non-od transmis=
sion. If you advertised to MGB guys that you were currently accepting 4-syn=
c non-od drop-offs, your front yard would be full by morning. Keeping one or=
two and tearing them down for parts makes some sense as the internals can b=
e used in rebuilding od boxes. I gave away four of them about two years ago=
. I have one "spare" 4-sync od box that I'll will to one of my kids someday=
. The other kid will get the house and everything that's in the bank.
> =20
> Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty easi=
ly - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the MGB 4-sy=
nc opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a 2" rearwa=
rd expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter would require ab=
out the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' Wonder if anybody's trie=
d this with a Triumph TR6 box. After all, a Triumph has to be good for some=
thing... ;-) ;-) ;-)
> =20
> Cheers,
> Allen
> ****************************************************************
> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
> North Street, MI 48049, USA
> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
> ****************************************************************
> =20
> On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:
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>> Allen,
>> =20
>> Thanks for the response. I'm not intending on using a MGB OD transmissio=
n just the NON OD trans that came with the engine. My concern was with the l=
ocation of the shifter. I'm thinking that with a little fabrication I can r=
elocate the shift lever in the opening for the remote control. I might e=
ven be able to adapt the Magnette lever there. I'll compare the 2 when I ge=
t it out sometime in the future.
>> =20
>> A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he removed fr=
om a wrecked MGB. It's FREE. I looked it over and it looks like the sfift l=
ever would interfere with the parking brake lever also. It looks like a maj=
or job to relocate the shift lever on that trans. I would use it if I can w=
ork out relocating the shift lever.
>> =20
>> Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would consider usin=
g the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine. I could keep th=
e 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb engine.=20
>> =20
>> BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a Datsun 2=
00SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place.=20
>> =20
>> Charlie Durning
>> =20
>> If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.
>> =20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachelder <bachldrs@comcast.net> w=
rote:
>> As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is with the Datsun 280Z fiv=
e-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit. I've done it on two diff=
erent Magnettes. The kit is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabric=
ation necessary - but it isn't rocket science. The bit in question is the t=
ransmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss=
or Bruce Woodson and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the M=
agnette.
>> =20
>> Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty darn=
easy. The pictures show the only modifications done to the car. Bear in m=
ind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun transmission with a kit h=
omemade by his mechanic. The second picture shows how much material was remo=
ved from the back of the shifter opening. In fact, this is more than necess=
ary, but the third picture shows how I dealt with it. I chose not to weld t=
he new tunnel patch in case a future owner wants to reverse the conversion. =
In this sense, in answer to frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmi=
ssion, I actually preserved more original MG than I would have with an MG tr=
ansmission. Another advantage to this approach is that the old Magnette driv=
e shaft still fits - requiring only that the front U-joint yoke be reamed sl=
ightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of course has it's own front yoke and=
transmission spline.=20
>> =20
>> If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot. I did rewo=
rk the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit its new loc=
ation. The PO didn't use a tower at all.
>> =20
>> One more thought. If you're undecided about the transmission choice, fir=
st try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set with a 4.3, a 4.1 (=
if you can find one), or a 3.9. This is an easy two-hour job. You might fin=
d that even with the original gearbox, you're happy with the higher-geared r=
ear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode in while visiting the UK w=
ere both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and while we never went on the "M=
roads" with them (equivalent to our interstates), they seemed remarkably un=
stressed. For awhile there, I started wondering why I had gone to all this e=
ffort. But then I get on the I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed li=
mit and I'm sure happy to have my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25=
mph per 1,000 rpm.
>> =20
>> FWIW,
>> Allen
>> ****************************************************************
>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>> ****************************************************************
>> =20
>> On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:
>>=20
>>> As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my Z=
A. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much ea=
sier to do. The come with everything you need and require almost no modifica=
tions to the car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear tr=
ansmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and ca=
ble. Then deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch hydrau=
lic line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember exact=
ly what. I think that covers it all.
>>> --=20
>>> Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my brevity.=
>>>=20
>>> Steve Kirby <skirby210@cox.net> wrote:
>>> It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to off=
er up this answer, but I will anyway! One of my first, of many, mentors, in=
the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb header set up m=
any of us have purchased. Steve did put a full late B synchro in his. I do=
remember Steve describing the various things he had to do. Steve is a pers=
on of immense talents, so his pay grade is much higher than mine. Perhaps S=
teve will answer, now that I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact hi=
m directly.
>>> =20
>>> #2SteveK
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: LannM@aol.com
>>> To: zmagnette@autox.team.net
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
>>> =20
>>> Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync. Compare a 3=
sync MGB with a 4 sync. The transmission tunnel is noticeably different. I=
've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG hamm=
er to move sheet metal around. Even then, its still a tight fit. I can't i=
magine a Magnette would be any easier.
>>> =20
>>> I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, and p=
robably cheaper.
>>> =20
>>> Lann
>>> =20
>>> In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, durni=
ngcharles@gmail.com writes:
>>> Robert,
>>> =20
>>> I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work. It would stil=
l be too far back, not to mention the height. I was thinking about eleminat=
ing the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on the trans=
where the remote attaches. I still have to get under the car and do some m=
easuring to see if that would be close.
>>> =20
>>> It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a direct s=
hifter. That would keep me from having to make something.
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Charlie Durning
>>> =20
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM, <monster@caverock.net.nz> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html
>>>=20
>>> On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an MGB en=
gine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.
>>> It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to fit, a=
nd a new tunnel.
>>>=20
>>> I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for a=
3-synchro box might not be great.
>>> I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh? :=
-)
>>>=20
>>> regards,
>>> --=20
>>> Robert
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>> Charlie,
>>> Even without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits
>>> high and your going to have to substantially reshape the transmission
>>> tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious price to pay for a
>>> synchronized first gear. If you're going to that much trouble, you
>>> might as well go five-speed.
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Somewhere around here I ha=
ve notes from Dave Liveley? giving directions for a DIY 5 speed conversion. &=
nbsp;If anyone is interested I will try to find the notes. His directi=
ons were rather complete. Strange that no transmission made in this ce=
ntury can be utilized. Arch<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec 1,=
2013, at 8:09 PM, David Halliday <<a href=3D"mailto:davidh@egopharm.com"=
>davidh@egopharm.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear c=
onversion with the Ford type 9 gearbox. It is a great conversion. =
; It fits easily, with very little in the way of mods and looks stock from t=
he interior.<br><div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I just drove=
my original and standard ZB yesterday. I really miss that 5th gear an=
d syncro on 1st and 2nd!<br clear=3D"all"></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">
<br>Kind regards,<br><br>David<br><br></div>
</div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne & Is=
abel Hardy <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gwhardy@suddenlink.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">gwhardy@suddenlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word" dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri'">
<div><font size=3D"4">Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have=20=
experience with a 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, requires=
=20
only a couple stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the s=
ide=20
located tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a hole saw c=
lear=20
through and check the level through the side from the inside of the cockpit b=
ut=20
don=E2=80=99t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much exactly where the=
old one=20
did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same as the Midget box, 4th is dir=
ect=20
drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it on down the road gear for freeway=20
use...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It get=
s=20
about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st syncro i=
s=20
sure nice too. Very nice kit.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4"></font> </div>
<div><font size=3D"4">Wombat</font></div>
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quot;Calibri";text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal">
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<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"bachldrs@comcast.net" href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@=
comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">Allen Bachelder</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM</div><div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:zmagnet=
te@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">List for the Z Magnette Group - North=20=
America</a> </div>
</div><div><div><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in Z=
B</div></div></div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:small;display:inline;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri";text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"><div><div>Mike=20=
and Charles,=20
<div> </div>
<div>Yeah, I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a=20=
challenge on Lombard Hill! I guess my consideration of rear gears pres=
umed=20
the 1800 was already in the picture. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can see=
=20
I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at all - the=
re's=20
plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable. Also note that=
I=20
tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket. It clears the tower=20=
nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z was Rivergate's=
=20
choice and their kit will not fit the others. They liked the extreme durabil=
ity=20
of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the six-cylinder engine. Th=
ey=20
do have kits designed to fit the 210 five-speed to "A block" engines. Design=
ed=20
for Spridgets, I believe they also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep my ey=
e=20
out for these on occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, a=
=20
Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up=20
front. The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, the 28=
0Z=20
5-speeds are drying up also. BTW, there is some activity in the BW T5 b=
ull=20
pen. We may have another option before long. Hopefully somebody w=
ho=20
knows more than I will speak to this.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be more=
=20
trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little retur=
n=20
for your money and effort. It would be nice to capitalize on that free=
one=20
you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the 2nd-most worthless pa=
rt=20
on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a 3sync non-od=20
transmission. If you advertised to MGB guys that you were currently=20=
accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard would be full by morning.=
=20
Keeping one or two and tearing them down for parts makes some sense as the=20=
internals can be used in rebuilding od boxes. I gave away four of them=
=20
about two years ago. I have one "spare" 4-sync od box that I'll will to one o=
f=20
my kids someday. The other kid will get the house and everything that's in t=
he=20
bank. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty=20=
easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the MGB=20=
4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a 2"=20=
rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter would requ=
ire=20
about the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' Wonder if anybody's tr=
ied=20
this with a Triumph TR6 box. After all, a Triumph has to be good for=20=
something... ;-) ;-) ;-) </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word;FONT-SIZE:12px;FONT-FAMILY:helvetica;FONT=
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& Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<<br=
>Spring=20
Creek Home for Wayward MGs</i></b></div>
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word;FONT-SIZE:12px;FONT-FAMILY:helvetica;FONT=
-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-STYLE:normal"><b><i>'57=20
ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT</i></b></div>
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word;FONT-SIZE:12px;FONT-FAMILY:helvetica;FONT=
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Street, MI 48049,=20
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Allen,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks for the response. I'm not intending on using a MGB OD=20=
transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine. My con=
cern=20
was with the location of the shifter. I'm thinking that with a littl=
e=20
fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the remote=20=
control. I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there.&nbs=
p;=20
I'll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he remove=
d=20
from a wrecked MGB. It's FREE. I looked it over and it looks l=
ike=20
the sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever also. I=
t=20
looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans. I=20=
would use it if I can work out relocating the shift lever. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would consider=20=
using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine. I co=
uld=20
keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb=20
engine. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a Dats=
un=20
200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place. <br clear=3D"all"=
></div>
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<div> </div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is=20
watching.</font></div>
<div> </div></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bacheld=
er <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net"; target=3D"_=
blank">bachldrs@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px=
0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word">As far as I know, the cheapest way t=
o do=20
this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a=20
Rivergate kit. I've done it on two different Magnettes. The k=
it=20
is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication necessary - but i=
t=20
isn't rocket science. The bit in question is the transmission moun=
t.=20
The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss or Bruce Woods=
on=20
and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the Magnette.=20
<div> </div>
<div>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is prett=
y=20
darn easy. The pictures show the only modifications done to the=20=
car. Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun=20=
transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture sho=
ws=20
how much material was removed from the back of the shifter opening. =
; In=20
fact, this is more than necessary, but the third picture shows how I dea=
lt=20
with it. I chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a future=
=20
owner wants to reverse the conversion. In this sense, in answer to=
=20
frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I actually preserv=
ed=20
more original MG than I would have with an MG transmission. Another=20
advantage to this approach is that the old Magnette drive shaft still fi=
ts -=20
requiring only that the front U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit the=
=20
Datsun U-joint which of course has it's own front yoke and transmission=20=
spline. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever=20
boot. I did rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a=
=20
body hammer to fit its new location. The PO didn't use a tower at all.</=
div>
<div> </div>
<div>One more thought. If you're undecided about the transmission=20=
choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set wit=
h a=20
4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9. This is an easy two-ho=
ur=20
job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're happy wi=
th=20
the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode in=20=
while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, and wh=
ile=20
we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our interstates)=
,=20
they seemed remarkably unstressed. For awhile there, I started=20
wondering why I had gone to all this effort. But then I get on the=
=20
I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy to h=
ave=20
my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 rpm.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>FWIW,</div>
<div>Allen</div>
<div>
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<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word;FONT-SIZE:12px;FONT-FAMILY:helvetica;=
FONT-WEIGHT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal"><b><i>Allen=20
& Florrie Bachelder =20
=3Diii=3D<<br>Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs</i></b></div>
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word;FONT-SIZE:12px;FONT-FAMILY:helvetica;=
FONT-WEIGHT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal"><b><i>'57=20
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:helvetica;FONT-VARI=
ANT:normal;WHITE-SPACE:normal;WORD-SPACING:0px;BORDER-COLLAPSE:separate;TEXT=
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INE-HEIGHT:normal;TEXT-INDENT:0px">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:arial" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">As Steve K states=
I=20
installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would not ev=
en=20
consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to do. Th=
e=20
come with everything you need and require almost no modifications to t=
he=20
car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear transmiss=
ion=20
mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and cable. T=
hen=20
deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch hydraulic=20=
line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember exa=
ctly=20
what. I think that covers it all.<br>--<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">=
</span><br>Sent from my Android phone=20
with<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </span><a style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
10pt" href=3D"http://mail.com/"; target=3D"_blank">mail.com</a><span style=3D=
"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </span>Mail. Please excuse my=20
brevity.<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Steve Kirby <<a style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"=
href=3D"mailto:skirby210@cox.net"; target=3D"_blank">skirby210@cox.net</a>&g=
t;=20
wrote:=20
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0pt=
0pt 0pt 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">It is=20
not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to offer=
up=20
this answer, but I will anyway! One of my first, of many, ment=
ors,=20
in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb head=
er=20
set up many of us have purchased. Steve did put a full late B=20=
synchro in his. I do remember Steve describing the various thi=
ngs=20
he had to do. Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay=
=20
grade is much higher than mine. Perhaps Steve will answer, now=
=20
that I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him=20
directly.</font></div>
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"3"></font> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">#2SteveK</font></div>
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b(0,0,0) 2px solid;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(228,228,228)"><=
b>From:</b><span> </span><a title=3D"LannM@aol.com" href=3D"mailto:Lann=
M@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">LannM@aol.com</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b><span> </span><a tit=
le=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">zmagnette@autox.team.net</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tues=
day,=20
November 26, 2013 8:29 AM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>R=
e:=20
[Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div><font color=3D"#000000" f=
ace=3D"Arial">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Shifter location aside, the 4 sync i=
s=20
wider than the 3 sync. Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync.&n=
bsp;=20
The transmission tunnel is noticeably different. I've put a 4=
=20
sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG hammer=
to=20
move sheet metal around. Even then, its still a tight fit.&n=
bsp;=20
I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 s=
peed=20
would be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Lann </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div>
<div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:=
44=20
A.M. Central Standard Time,<span> </span><a href=3D"mailto:du=
rningcharles@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">durningcharles@gmail.com</a><span>=
</span>writes:</div>
<blockquote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:=
blue 2px solid"><font style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent" color=3D"#00000=
0" face=3D"Arial">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Robert,</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I didn't think that even modifying=
the=20
remote would work. It would still be too far back, not to=20=
mention the height. I was thinking about eleminating the=20=
remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on the t=
rans=20
where the remote attaches. I still have to get under the c=
ar=20
and do some measuring to see if that would be close.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">It would be good if some BMC car u=
sed=20
the 4 synchro trans with a direct shifter. That would keep=
me=20
from having to make something.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div>
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Charlie Durning</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div></div></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">On Tue, Nov 2=
6, 2013=20
at 1:58 AM,<span> </span><span dir=3D"ltr"><<a title=3D"=
mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz"; href=3D"mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">monster@caverock.net.nz</a>></span><span> </span>wrote=
:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARG=
IN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><br><a title=3D=
"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website pages/Dads_Oxford.html" href=3D"http=
://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://www.beardmorebros.co.<u></u>uk/website%20pages/Dads_<u></u>Oxford.=
html</a><br>
<br>On=20
the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an=
MGB=20
engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina=20
Oxford.<br>It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearleve=
r=20
extension to fit, and a new tunnel.<br><br>I'd agree that the=20=
benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for a 3-synchr=
o=20
box might not be great.<br>I also love the sound of the=20
non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh?=20
:-)<br><br>regards,<br>--<span> </span><br>Robert=20
<div><br><br>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MA=
RGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Charlie,<br>E=
ven=20
without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync=20
sits<br>high and your going to have to substantially reshape=
the=20
transmission<br>tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious pr=
ice=20
to pay for a<br>synchronized first gear. If you're going to t=
hat=20
much trouble, you<br>might as well go=20
five-speed.<br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></font></=
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