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Hi Arch,
' Haven't seen that name around here for awhile. Dave Lively was the PO =
of my car and yes, he had it converted to Datsun five-speed. He wrote =
an article about it in the ZMG newsletter back in the early '90s - =
before we were online. There were a lot of highly detailed notes that =
came with the car. A couple of problems here: Dave did NOT(much to his =
credit!) do this conversion himself. It was done by a well-known =
California British mechanic whose name I will not mention. There was a =
receipt in the paper work for a "Novus Five Points" conversion kit. But =
what came out when I split the engine and transmission could not have =
been professionally built and/or marketed. The backplate was the crudest =
piece of home-made junk I have ever seen. Dave's records show some =
transmission problems and the entire case cracked and had to be replaced =
- twice, I believe. I suspect this was due to a backplate that did not =
center the transmission on the crankshaft.=20
There was no drilled pilot bushing - but one that rather had been =
hand-reamed with a conical reamer. The idea must have been for the pilot =
bushing to support the nose of the transmission first-motion shaft at =
the very front edge only. But the inside reamed surface of the pilot =
bushing was very rough. There were some rather threatening noises =
occurring when the engine idled while in neutral. The flywheel itself =
was not MG - perhaps it was Datsun. The bolt pattern was wrong and it =
had been redrilled to fit the MG crankshaft pattern. This made for a lot =
of bolt holes on the flywheel and it was not perfectly centered (another =
cause of the case cracking?). In the world of aesthetics, the shifter =
turret was left out. I took all this junk out, replacing it all with a =
complete Rivergate kit (and a correct turret). In defense of these =
guys, I will offer that the Rivergate kit was probably not yet available =
back in those days. But with the same engine and transmission, now =
connected through the Rivergate kit, everything is beautiful. The one =
thing I saved from the original installation was the transmission =
crossmember - practically identical to the one Rivergate had built for =
my first Magnette. =20
FWIW,
Allen
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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On Dec 1, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Arch Boston wrote:
> Somewhere around here I have notes from Dave Liveley? giving =
directions for a DIY 5 speed conversion. If anyone is interested I will =
try to find the notes. His directions were rather complete. Strange =
that no transmission made in this century can be utilized. Arch
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Dec 1, 2013, at 8:09 PM, David Halliday <davidh@egopharm.com> =
wrote:
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>> I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion with the Ford =
type 9 gearbox. It is a great conversion. It fits easily, with very =
little in the way of mods and looks stock from the interior.
>>=20
>> I just drove my original and standard ZB yesterday. I really miss =
that 5th gear and syncro on 1st and 2nd!
>>=20
>> Kind regards,
>>=20
>> David
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne & Isabel Hardy =
<gwhardy@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>> Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I have experience with =
a 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, requires only a =
couple stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of the =
side located tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a =
hole saw clear through and check the level through the side from the =
inside of the cockpit but don=92t need to. Gear selector comes out =
pretty much exactly where the old one did, and gears 1-3 are almost =
exactly the same as the Midget box, 4th is direct drive 1 : 1 ratio, and =
5th is ease it on down the road gear for freeway use...especially if you =
have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It gets about 45 mpg in =
5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st syncro is sure nice =
too. Very nice kit.
>> =20
>> Wombat
>> =20
>> From: Allen Bachelder
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM
>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
>> =20
>> Mike and Charles,
>> =20
>> Yeah, I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite a =
challenge on Lombard Hill! I guess my consideration of rear gears =
presumed the 1800 was already in the picture.
>> =20
>> I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can =
see I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at =
all - there's plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable. =
Also note that I tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket. It =
clears the tower nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the =
280Z was Rivergate's choice and their kit will not fit the others. They =
liked the extreme durability of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle =
the six-cylinder engine. They do have kits designed to fit the 210 =
five-speed to "A block" engines. Designed for Spridgets, I believe they =
also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep my eye out for these on =
occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a 1275, a =
Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up =
front. The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, the =
280Z 5-speeds are drying up also. BTW, there is some activity in the BW =
T5 bull pen. We may have another option before long. Hopefully =
somebody who knows more than I will speak to this.
>> =20
>> I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be =
more trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very =
little return for your money and effort. It would be nice to capitalize =
on that free one you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the =
2nd-most worthless part on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB =
being a 3sync non-od transmission. If you advertised to MGB guys that =
you were currently accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard =
would be full by morning. Keeping one or two and tearing them down for =
parts makes some sense as the internals can be used in rebuilding od =
boxes. I gave away four of them about two years ago. I have one "spare" =
4-sync od box that I'll will to one of my kids someday. The other kid =
will get the house and everything that's in the bank.
>> =20
>> Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved pretty =
easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the =
MGB 4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about =
a 2" rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter =
would require about the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' =
Wonder if anybody's tried this with a Triumph TR6 box. After all, a =
Triumph has to be good for something... ;-) ;-) ;-)
>> =20
>> Cheers,
>> Allen
>> ****************************************************************
>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>> ****************************************************************
>> =20
>> On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:
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>>> Allen,
>>> =20
>>> Thanks for the response. I'm not intending on using a MGB OD =
transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine. My =
concern was with the location of the shifter. I'm thinking that with a =
little fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the =
remote control. I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever there. =
I'll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.
>>> =20
>>> A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he =
removed from a wrecked MGB. It's FREE. I looked it over and it looks =
like the sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever also. =
It looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that trans. I =
would use it if I can work out relocating the shift lever.
>>> =20
>>> Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would consider =
using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine. I could =
keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb =
engine.=20
>>> =20
>>> BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a =
Datsun 200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place.=20
>>> =20
>>> Charlie Durning
>>> =20
>>> If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.
>>> =20
>>>=20
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>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen Bachelder =
<bachldrs@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> As far as I know, the cheapest way to do this is with the Datsun =
280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a Rivergate kit. I've done it =
on two different Magnettes. The kit is designed for an MGB so there is =
a bit of fabrication necessary - but it isn't rocket science. The bit =
in question is the transmission mount. The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is =
available from either Moss or Bruce Woodson and I understand there =
is a purpose-built version for the Magnette.
>>> =20
>>> Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is pretty =
darn easy. The pictures show the only modifications done to the car. =
Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the Datsun =
transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture =
shows how much material was removed from the back of the shifter =
opening. In fact, this is more than necessary, but the third picture =
shows how I dealt with it. I chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in =
case a future owner wants to reverse the conversion. In this sense, in =
answer to frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I =
actually preserved more original MG than I would have with an MG =
transmission. Another advantage to this approach is that the old =
Magnette drive shaft still fits - requiring only that the front U-joint =
yoke be reamed slightly to fit the Datsun U-joint which of course has =
it's own front yoke and transmission spline.=20
>>> =20
>>> If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever boot. I did =
rework the flange of the shift-lever tower with a body hammer to fit its =
new location. The PO didn't use a tower at all.
>>> =20
>>> One more thought. If you're undecided about the transmission =
choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set =
with a 4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9. This is an easy =
two-hour job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're =
happy with the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs =
I rode in while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end =
types, and while we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to =
our interstates), they seemed remarkably unstressed. For awhile there, =
I started wondering why I had gone to all this effort. But then I get =
on the I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure =
happy to have my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per =
1,000 rpm.
>>> =20
>>> FWIW,
>>> Allen
>>> ****************************************************************
>>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
>>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>>> ****************************************************************
>>> =20
>>> On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> As Steve K states I installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago =
in my ZA. I would not even consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are =
so much easier to do. The come with everything you need and require =
almost no modifications to the car. To install the late over drive you =
need to build a rear transmission mount, a transmission tunnel, drive =
shaft, speedo gear box and cable. Then deal with the starter hitting the =
frame and making a clutch hydraulic line. I also did some mods to the =
shift tower, but do not remember exactly what. I think that covers it =
all.
>>>> --=20
>>>> Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my =
brevity.
>>>>=20
>>>> Steve Kirby <skirby210@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> It is not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place =
to offer up this answer, but I will anyway! One of my first, of many, =
mentors, in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb =
header set up many of us have purchased. Steve did put a full late B =
synchro in his. I do remember Steve describing the various things he =
had to do. Steve is a person of immense talents, so his pay grade is =
much higher than mine. Perhaps Steve will answer, now that I've prodded =
him a bit, or Charlie can contact him directly.
>>>> =20
>>>> #2SteveK
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: LannM@aol.com
>>>> To: zmagnette@autox.team.net
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB
>>>> =20
>>>> Shifter location aside, the 4 sync is wider than the 3 sync. =
Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 sync. The transmission tunnel is =
noticeably different. I've put a 4 sync in and early MGB and it takes a =
lot of work with a BIG hammer to move sheet metal around. Even then, =
its still a tight fit. I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.
>>>> =20
>>>> I think Allen is right, a Hi-Gear 5 speed would be quicker, easier, =
and probably cheaper.
>>>> =20
>>>> Lann
>>>> =20
>>>> In a message dated 11/26/2013 10:19:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, =
durningcharles@gmail.com writes:
>>>> Robert,
>>>> =20
>>>> I didn't think that even modifying the remote would work. It would =
still be too far back, not to mention the height. I was thinking about =
eleminating the remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening =
on the trans where the remote attaches. I still have to get under the =
car and do some measuring to see if that would be close.
>>>> =20
>>>> It would be good if some BMC car used the 4 synchro trans with a =
direct shifter. That would keep me from having to make something.
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> Charlie Durning
>>>> =20
>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:58 AM, <monster@caverock.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html
>>>>=20
>>>> On the above page are some photos and a description of fitting an =
MGB engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina Oxford.
>>>> It includes a pic of shortening the remote gearlever extension to =
fit, and a new tunnel.
>>>>=20
>>>> I'd agree that the benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed =
for a 3-synchro box might not be great.
>>>> I also love the sound of the non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, =
eh? :-)
>>>>=20
>>>> regards,
>>>> --=20
>>>> Robert
>>>>=20
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>>>> On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>>> Charlie,
>>>> Even without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync sits
>>>> high and your going to have to substantially reshape the =
transmission
>>>> tunnel to make it fit. That's a ferocious price to pay for a
>>>> synchronized first gear. If you're going to that much trouble, you
>>>> might as well go five-speed.
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi =
Arch,<div><br></div><div>' Haven't seen that name around here for =
awhile. Dave Lively was the PO of my car and yes, he had it =
converted to Datsun five-speed. He wrote an article about it in =
the ZMG newsletter back in the early '90s - before we were online. There =
were a lot of highly detailed notes that came with the car. A =
couple of problems here: Dave did NOT(much to his credit!) do this =
conversion himself. It was done by a well-known California British =
mechanic whose name I will not mention. There was a receipt in the =
paper work for a "Novus Five Points" conversion kit. But what came out =
when I split the engine and transmission could not have been =
professionally built and/or marketed. The backplate was the crudest =
piece of home-made junk I have ever seen. Dave's records show some =
transmission problems and the entire case cracked and had to be replaced =
- twice, I believe. I suspect this was due to a backplate that did =
not center the transmission on the =
crankshaft. </div><div><br></div><div>There was no drilled pilot =
bushing - but one that rather had been hand-reamed with a conical =
reamer. The idea must have been for the pilot bushing to support the =
nose of the transmission first-motion shaft at the very front edge only. =
But the inside reamed surface of the pilot bushing was very rough. =
There were some rather threatening noises occurring when the =
engine idled while in neutral. The flywheel itself was not MG - perhaps =
it was Datsun. The bolt pattern was wrong and it had been =
redrilled to fit the MG crankshaft pattern. This made for a lot of bolt =
holes on the flywheel and it was not perfectly centered (another cause =
of the case cracking?). In the world of aesthetics, the shifter =
turret was left out. I took all this junk out, replacing it all with a =
complete Rivergate kit (and a correct turret). In defense of these =
guys, I will offer that the Rivergate kit was probably not yet available =
back in those days. But with the same engine and transmission, now =
connected through the Rivergate kit, everything is beautiful. The one =
thing I saved from the original installation was the transmission =
crossmember - practically identical to the one Rivergate had built for =
my first Magnette. =
</div><div><br></div><div>FWIW,</div><div>Allen</div><div><div>
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<br><div><div>On Dec 1, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Arch Boston wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Somewhere around here I have notes from Dave =
Liveley? giving directions for a DIY 5 speed conversion. If anyone =
is interested I will try to find the notes. His directions were =
rather complete. Strange that no transmission made in this century =
can be utilized. Arch<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec 1, =
2013, at 8:09 PM, David Halliday <<a =
href=3D"mailto:davidh@egopharm.com";>davidh@egopharm.com</a>> =
wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hi Gear conversion with =
the Ford type 9 gearbox. It is a great conversion. It fits =
easily, with very little in the way of mods and looks stock from the =
interior.<br><div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I just =
drove my original and standard ZB yesterday. I really miss that =
5th gear and syncro on 1st and 2nd!<br clear=3D"all"></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">
<br>Kind regards,<br><br>David<br><br></div>
</div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 30 November 2013 02:49, Wayne =
& Isabel Hardy <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a =
href=3D"mailto:gwhardy@suddenlink.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">gwhardy@suddenlink.net</a>></span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:'Calibri'">
<div><font size=3D"4">Just a short comment on Rivergate kits again..I =
have=20
experience with a 210 tranny in a Midget. Neat little installation, =
requires=20
only a couple stout smacks on the tunnel side so as to allow removal of =
the side=20
located tranny oil check plug. You could if you wanted also use a hole =
saw clear=20
through and check the level through the side from the inside of the =
cockpit but=20
don=92t need to. Gear selector comes out pretty much exactly where the =
old one=20
did, and gears 1-3 are almost exactly the same as the Midget box, 4th is =
direct=20
drive 1 : 1 ratio, and 5th is ease it on down the road gear for freeway=20=
use...especially if you have already gone to a 3.9 : 1 rear as I did. It =
gets=20
about 45 mpg in 5th overdrive at 70 MPH, at about 2300 rpm; and 1st =
syncro is=20
sure nice too. Very nice kit.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4"></font> </div>
<div><font size=3D"4">Wombat</font></div>
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<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"bachldrs@comcast.net" =
href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank">Allen =
Bachelder</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:40 PM</div><div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">List for the =
Z Magnette Group - North=20
America</a> </div>
</div><div><div><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans =
in ZB</div></div></div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
<div =
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:small;display:inline;font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri";text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"><div><div>Mike=20=
and Charles,=20
<div> </div>
<div>Yeah, I can imagine that a 3.9 on a 1500 would present quite =
a=20
challenge on Lombard Hill! I guess my consideration of rear gears =
presumed=20
the 1800 was already in the picture. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>I forgot to point this out but in the third picture I sent, you can =
see=20
I've moved the handbrake back about 1.5". This is not difficult at all - =
there's=20
plenty of room to take up that much slack in the cable. Also note =
that I=20
tilted the lever up a bit on it's front bracket. It clears the =
tower=20
nicely. Regarding the 200SX or 240SX transmissions, the 280Z was =
Rivergate's=20
choice and their kit will not fit the others. They liked the extreme =
durability=20
of the 280Z - as it was designed to handle the six-cylinder =
engine. They=20
do have kits designed to fit the 210 five-speed to "A block" engines. =
Designed=20
for Spridgets, I believe they also adapt well in Morris Minors. I keep =
my eye=20
out for these on occasion and have dreams of my own MM 4-door with a =
1275, a=20
Rivergate/210 five-speed, a Spridget 3.9 diff, and Spridget discs up=20
front. The trick is to FiND a 210 5-speed. And for that matter, =
the 280Z=20
5-speeds are drying up also. BTW, there is some activity in the BW =
T5 bull=20
pen. We may have another option before long. Hopefully =
somebody who=20
knows more than I will speak to this.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I still hold with the opinion that the non-od MGB 4-synch would be =
more=20
trouble to install than a Hi-Gear or a Datsun and give you very little =
return=20
for your money and effort. It would be nice to capitalize on that =
free one=20
you have - except bear in mind that your freeby is the 2nd-most =
worthless part=20
on an MGB, the most worthless part on an MGB being a 3sync non-od=20
transmission. If you advertised to MGB guys that you were =
currently=20
accepting 4-sync non-od drop-offs, your front yard would be full by =
morning.=20
Keeping one or two and tearing them down for parts makes some sense as =
the=20
internals can be used in rebuilding od boxes. I gave away four of =
them=20
about two years ago. I have one "spare" 4-sync od box that I'll will to =
one of=20
my kids someday. The other kid will get the house and everything that's =
in the=20
bank. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Regarding shifter location, I think that problem can be solved =
pretty=20
easily - since the Rivergate/Datsun brings it's shifter up right in the =
MGB=20
4-sync opening. Ergo, if the Rivergate/Datsun shifter requires about a =
2"=20
rearward expansion in the Magnette tunnel, the 4-sync MGB shifter would =
require=20
about the same. I'm pretty sure it would be doable. ' Wonder if =
anybody's tried=20
this with a Triumph TR6 box. After all, a Triumph has to be good =
for=20
something... ;-) ;-) ;-) </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Allen<br>
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 2:22 PM, charles durning wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Allen,</div>
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<div>Thanks for the response. I'm not intending on using a MGB =
OD=20
transmission just the NON OD trans that came with the engine. My =
concern=20
was with the location of the shifter. I'm thinking that with a =
little=20
fabrication I can relocate the shift lever in the opening for the =
remote=20
control. I might even be able to adapt the Magnette lever =
there. =20
I'll compare the 2 when I get it out sometime in the future.</div>
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<div>A friend has a used Ford Sierra trans and the adaptor parts he =
removed=20
from a wrecked MGB. It's FREE. I looked it over and it =
looks like=20
the sfift lever would interfere with the parking brake lever =
also. It=20
looks like a major job to relocate the shift lever on that =
trans. I=20
would use it if I can work out relocating the shift lever. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Frankly I would be happy with a 4 speed, that's why I would =
consider=20
using the NON OD MGB 4 synchro trans that came with the engine. =
I could=20
keep the 3 synchro trans it would be easy enough to adapt to the 5 mb=20=
engine. </div>
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<div>BTW I did some looking around and it looks like the trans from a =
Datsun=20
200SX or 240SX would put the shifter in the right place. <br =
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<div>Charlie Durning</div>
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<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is=20=
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Allen =
Bachelder <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">bachldrs@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word">As far as I know, the cheapest =
way to do=20
this is with the Datsun 280Z five-speed (it has a "Z" in it!) and a=20=
Rivergate kit. I've done it on two different Magnettes. =
The kit=20
is designed for an MGB so there is a bit of fabrication necessary - =
but it=20
isn't rocket science. The bit in question is the transmission =
mount.=20
The Hi-Gear Ford Sierra kit is available from either Moss or Bruce =
Woodson=20
and I understand there is a purpose-built version for the Magnette.=20=
<div> </div>
<div>Having done the Datsun/Rivergate option, I can say that it is =
pretty=20
darn easy. The pictures show the only modifications done to =
the=20
car. Bear in mind that the PO had converted the car to the =
Datsun=20
transmission with a kit homemade by his mechanic. The second picture =
shows=20
how much material was removed from the back of the shifter =
opening. In=20
fact, this is more than necessary, but the third picture shows how I =
dealt=20
with it. I chose not to weld the new tunnel patch in case a =
future=20
owner wants to reverse the conversion. In this sense, in =
answer to=20
frequent criticism, by using a Japanese transmission, I actually =
preserved=20
more original MG than I would have with an MG transmission. Another=20=
advantage to this approach is that the old Magnette drive shaft =
still fits -=20
requiring only that the front U-joint yoke be reamed slightly to fit =
the=20
Datsun U-joint which of course has it's own front yoke and =
transmission=20
spline. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>If I recall correctly, I used an early MGB shift-lever=20
boot. I did rework the flange of the shift-lever tower =
with a=20
body hammer to fit its new location. The PO didn't use a tower at =
all.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>One more thought. If you're undecided about the =
transmission=20
choice, first try replacing your original 4.55 differential gear set =
with a=20
4.3, a 4.1 (if you can find one), or a 3.9. This is an easy =
two-hour=20
job. You might find that even with the original gearbox, you're =
happy with=20
the higher-geared rear end. It's interesting that the two ZAs I rode =
in=20
while visiting the UK were both the earliest 4.87 rear-end types, =
and while=20
we never went on the "M roads" with them (equivalent to our =
interstates),=20
they seemed remarkably unstressed. For awhile there, I started=20=
wondering why I had gone to all this effort. But then I get on =
the=20
I-69 here in Michigan with its 70 mph speed limit and I'm sure happy =
to have=20
my 5th gear, along with the 3.9, giving me 25 mph per 1,000 =
rpm.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>FWIW,</div>
<div>Allen</div>
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<div>On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Steve C. wrote:</div><br>
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<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:arial" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">As Steve K =
states I=20
installed a 4 syncro overdrive many years ago in my ZA. I would =
not even=20
consider doing so today. The 5 speed kits are so much easier to =
do. The=20
come with everything you need and require almost no modifications =
to the=20
car. To install the late over drive you need to build a rear =
transmission=20
mount, a transmission tunnel, drive shaft, speedo gear box and =
cable. Then=20
deal with the starter hitting the frame and making a clutch =
hydraulic=20
line. I also did some mods to the shift tower, but do not remember =
exactly=20
what. I think that covers it all.<br>--<span =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </span><br>Sent from my Android phone=20
with<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </span><a =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" href=3D"http://mail.com/"; =
target=3D"_blank">mail.com</a><span =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </span>Mail. Please excuse my=20
brevity.<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Steve Kirby <<a =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt" href=3D"mailto:skirby210@cox.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">skirby210@cox.net</a>>=20
wrote:=20
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D"3">It is=20
not my place to answer this, and it is further not my place to =
offer up=20
this answer, but I will anyway! One of my first, of many, =
mentors,=20
in the Magnette World was Steve Carroll . . . he of thee superb =
header=20
set up many of us have purchased. Steve did put a full =
late B=20
synchro in his. I do remember Steve describing the various =
things=20
he had to do. Steve is a person of immense talents, so his =
pay=20
grade is much higher than mine. Perhaps Steve will answer, =
now=20
that I've prodded him a bit, or Charlie can contact him=20
directly.</font></div>
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size=3D"3">#2SteveK</font></div>
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<div style=3D"FONT:10pt =
arial;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(228,228,228)"><b>From:</b><span> </span><a=
title=3D"LannM@aol.com" href=3D"mailto:LannM@aol.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">LannM@aol.com</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b><span> </span><a =
title=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">zmagnette@autox.team.net</a></div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt =
arial"><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday,=20
November 26, 2013 8:29 AM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt =
arial"><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re:=20
[Zmagnette] 4 synchro MGB trans in ZB</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div><font =
color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Shifter location aside, the 4 =
sync is=20
wider than the 3 sync. Compare a 3 sync MGB with a 4 =
sync. =20
The transmission tunnel is noticeably different. I've =
put a 4=20
sync in and early MGB and it takes a lot of work with a BIG =
hammer to=20
move sheet metal around. Even then, its still a tight =
fit. =20
I can't imagine a Magnette would be any easier.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I think Allen is right, a =
Hi-Gear 5 speed=20
would be quicker, easier, and probably cheaper.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Lann </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div>
<div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">In a message dated 11/26/2013 =
10:19:44=20
A.M. Central Standard Time,<span> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:durningcharles@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">durningcharles@gmail.com</a><span> </span>writes:</=
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Robert,</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">I didn't think that even =
modifying the=20
remote would work. It would still be too far back, not =
to=20
mention the height. I was thinking about eleminating =
the=20
remote and mounting the shifter directly to the opening on =
the trans=20
where the remote attaches. I still have to get under =
the car=20
and do some measuring to see if that would be close.</div>
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">It would be good if some BMC =
car used=20
the 4 synchro trans with a direct shifter. That would =
keep me=20
from having to make something.</div>
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">Charlie Durning</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt">On Tue, =
Nov 26, 2013=20
at 1:58 AM,<span> </span><span dir=3D"ltr"><<a =
title=3D"mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz"; =
href=3D"mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz"; =
target=3D"_blank">monster@caverock.net.nz</a>></span><span> </span=
>wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><br><a =
title=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website pages/Dads_Oxford.html" =
href=3D"http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/Dads_Oxford.html"; =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.beardmorebros.co.<u></u>uk/website%20pages/Da=
ds_<u></u>Oxford.html</a><br>
<br>On=20
the above page are some photos and a description of =
fitting an MGB=20
engine and 4-synchro+overdrive 'box to a 1960's Farina=20
Oxford.<br>It includes a pic of shortening the remote =
gearlever=20
extension to fit, and a new tunnel.<br><br>I'd agree that =
the=20
benefits of non-OD box over all the mods needed for a =
3-synchro=20
box might not be great.<br>I also love the sound of the=20
non-synchro 1st gear. Bah, musicians, eh?=20
:-)<br><br>regards,<br>--<span> </span><br>Robert=20
<div><br><br>On 26.11.2013 15:50, Allen Bachelder =
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0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Charlie,<br>Even=20
without overdrive, the remote shifter on the MGB 4-sync=20=
sits<br>high and your going to have to substantially =
reshape the=20
transmission<br>tunnel to make it fit. That's a =
ferocious price=20
to pay for a<br>synchronized first gear. If you're going =
to that=20
much trouble, you<br>might as well go=20
=
five-speed.<br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></font></blockquote><=
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