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Re: [Wedge] TR7/8 FI air intake

To: Barrie Robinson <barrie@look.ca>
Subject: Re: [Wedge] TR7/8 FI air intake
From: James TenCate <tencate@mac.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:14:38 -0700
On Dec 18, 2005, at 1:10 PM, Barrie Robinson wrote:

> I know K&N filters get a good name but do they really offer a 
> fantastic difference - or is it like the other folk legends out 
> there?.  I suppose one should measure something (?) without any 
> filters, with K&N, and then with 'ordinary' filters and compare the 
> results.  It is NOT good enough to belt round the track, change 
> filters, belt around again and then make a comparison.   Far to 
> subjective!  As there are thousands of companies playing with

I'm a scientist type (acoustics/geophysics/seismologist) and agree with 
you about actually *measuring* something.  I never believe what I read 
and often have to try things myself, sometimes discovering things that 
actually make things worse instead of better (autocrossers discover 
this all the time :-)

However, being an experimentalist type of person, I was also skeptical 
(and my car is a concours winner so keeping it original is important to 
me and fitting a K&N and then removing it for shows is a BIG extra 
bother).  So, when I replaced the stock airbox (with a nearly new paper 
element) with a K&N bolted right to the air flow meter, I was 
pleasantly surprised at how much "snappier" the car felt.  Really.  
Fantastic?  NO, but definitely noticeable.  I've driven it both ways 
and my own *subjective* observation is that comparing a K&N versus the 
stock setup on the TR8, the K&N gives you a noticeably better driving 
experience.  But, as they say, your mileage may vary and no, I didn't 
put it on a rolling road to measure the difference.  No such things up 
here in Los Alamos, NM (population about 20,000 :-)  Think also about 
the "state-of-the-art" back in the 1970s...  getting engines to breathe 
better is an idea that's been around a long time but K&Ns didn't exist 
(although foam elements were popular "upgrades".  I can't imagine the 
Triumph engineers worrying too much about optimizing the air box 
though.  Getting the fuel injection system ready for production 
probably occupied every waking moment they had (all the while wondering 
about their jobs).  Geeez, wouldn't it be great to find some Triumph 
engineers who actually worked on development of the "Wedge" so we could 
talk to them?

I also noted, as Fred pointed out, that the "snappy" experience quickly 
diminished and may actually be worse than stock as the car started 
breathing hot engine air versus the cooler air it used to get from 
behind the front headlight pod.  So, like the Thrasher folks have done, 
I'm going to fabricate a cool air box one of these days.  Yes, it's 
worth the effort (to me) and Thrasher has at least instrumented and 
measured the temperatures of the air coming into the engine and built 
something that really works :-)  They don't use K&N by the way, but 
another manufacturer of a similar sort of "free flow" filter maker...

My 2 cents (for what they're worth :-)

Jim

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