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To: rroenigk@aol.com, xj61975@aol.com
Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting
From: Bill Kern via Wpta <wpta@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 11:17:02 -0500
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On 1/28/2019 9:23 AM, rroenigk--- via Wpta wrote:
> This all came about when friend went into PENNDOT last week to 
> register new purchase, 1966 MGB
>
> Asked person at counter what difference is between Classic and Antique
>
> The response was driving after dark and the insurance company may not 
> cover you
>
> A call was made to insurance company. Response was, what ever each 
> State regulations are determines your coverage
>
>
> This needs to be clarified
>
> PENNDOT staff should know regs, not embellish
>
>
> Thx
>
> Rich R
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> On Monday, January 28, 2019, xj61975@aol.com <xj61975@aol.com> wrote:
>
>     I agree, Ed.
>
>     Lucas is a genuine concern, but that pertains to more than lamps.
>     Ha Ha!
>
>     Bill
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1@comcast.net>
>     To: rroenigk <rroenigk@aol.com>; rroenigk--- via Wpta
>     <wpta@autox.team.net>; xj61975 <xj61975@aol.com>
>     Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2019 8:57 am
>     Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting
>
>     The only caution against driving your Triumph at night, whether it
>     has PA classic or antique plates, it the one by Joseph Lucas. We
>     had this discussion 25 years ago.
>     "Gentlemen don't motor about after dark".
>     PennDot doesn't care.
>     Geez Loueez!!
>
>     Ed Woods
>>     On January 28, 2019 at 7:45 AM rroenigk--- via Wpta
>>     <wpta@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>     Bill.  I had a friend went to PENNDOT last week
>>
>>     The lady on desk told her that was difference between plates
>>
>>     And insurance company may not insure you
>>
>>     You would think they know
>>
>>
>>     Would like to get in writing from PENNDOT
>>
>>     Thx
>>
>>     Rich R
>>
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>>     On Sunday, January 27, 2019, xj61975@aol.com <xj61975@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>         Even before any recent changes, there is no restriction to
>>         drive an antique registered car in PA after dark as long as
>>         you lighting meets current standards. This has been true for
>>         at least the last 25 years if not longer. Many people do not
>>         understand this and stick with Classic plates.
>>
>>         Bill Cooper
>>
>>
>>         -----Original Message-----
>>         From: Joe Stout via Wpta <wpta@autox.team.net>
>>         To: rroenigk <rroenigk@aol.com>
>>         Cc: wpta <wpta@autox.team.net>
>>         Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2019 9:10 pm
>>         Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting
>>
>>
>>         I looked into the after dark driving in PA in the past, and
>>         this statement "used" to be there....
>>
>>         *Antique vehicles operated exclusively between sunrise and
>>         sunset are exempt from the normal lighting *
>>         *requirements of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code, but must have
>>         their original lighting equipment. *
>>         *
>>         *
>>         It looks that that statement has now even been removed from
>>         the code, as I am unable to find
>>         it anyplace on PennDot documents...
>>
>>         Here is what I think is the current document that mentions
>>         nothing about driving after dark..
>>
>>         *USE OF ANTIQUE, CLASSIC AND VINTAGE REGISTRATION PLATES The
>>         use of antique, classic and vintage registration plates is
>>         governed by Section 1340 of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code,
>>         which states: â??It is unlawful for any person to operate a
>>         motorcycle or vehicle with antique, classic or vintage
>>         registration plates for general daily transportation.
>>         Permitted use shall be limited to participation in club
>>         activities, exhibits, tours, parades, occasional
>>         transportation and similar uses.â?? Occasional transportation
>>         and similar uses are defined as no more than one day a week.
>>         Although buses and trucks are eligible for antique, classic
>>         and vintage registration plates, buses MAY NOT be used to
>>         transport passengers and trucks MAY NOT haul cargo. Antique,
>>         classic and vintage registration plates are not available for
>>         motorized pedalcycles or motor homes.*
>>
>>         
>> http://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/dvspubsforms/BMV/BMV%20Fact%20Sheets/fs-ant.pdf
>>
>>
>>         My Thoughts...
>>         Happy Sunday :-)
>>
>>         Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>         On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 7:17 PM rroenigk--- via Wpta <
>>
>>             Subject for discussion
>>
>>             Antique Tags
>>
>>             If PA law says canâ??t drive after dark, does your
>>             insurance company still cover you if you do ?
>>
>>             Mine is American Modern and they say they go by each
>>             States restrictions / guidelines
>>
>>             I would not be covered when driving in dark hours in PA
>>
>>             Appreciate any feedback
>>
>>             Thx
>>
>>             Rich R
>>
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>>             On Sunday, January 27, 2019, Bruce Stutzman via Wpta <
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/28/2019 9:23 AM, rroenigk--- via
      Wpta wrote:<br>
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      This all came about when friend went into PENNDOT last week to
      register new purchase, 1966 MGB
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Asked person at counter what difference is between Classic
        and Antique</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>The response was driving after dark and the insurance company
        may not cover you</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>A call was made to insurance company. Response was, what ever
        each State regulations are determines your coverage </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>This needs to be clarified </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>PENNDOT staff should know regs, not embellish</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Thx</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Rich R<br>
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            <div><font size="2" face="arial" color="black">I agree, Ed. 
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              <div>Lucas is a genuine concern, but that pertains to more
                than lamps. Ha Ha!</div>
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              <div>Bill<br clear="none">
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                    From: EDWARD WOODS <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
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                    To: rroenigk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:rroenigk@aol.com";>&lt;rroenigk@aol.com&gt;</a>; rroenigk---
                    via Wpta <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:wpta@autox.team.net";>&lt;wpta@autox.team.net&gt;</a>; xj61975
                    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
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                    Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2019 8:57 am<br clear="none">
                    Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting<br clear="none">
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                        <div
                          style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,
                          arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);">The
                          only caution against driving your Triumph at
                          night, whether it has PA classic or antique
                          plates, it the one by Joseph Lucas. We had
                          this discussion 25 years ago.  </div>
                        <div
                          style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,
                          arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);">"Gentlemen
                          don't motor about after dark".</div>
                        <div
                          style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,
                          arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);">PennDot
                          doesn't care.</div>
                        <div
                          style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,
                          arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);">Geez
                          Loueez!!</div>
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                          style="font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,
                          arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);">Ed
                          Woods</div>
                        <blockquote type="cite">On January 28, 2019 at
                          7:45 AM rroenigk--- via Wpta
                          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:wpta@autox.team.net";>&lt;wpta@autox.team.net&gt;</a> wrote: <br
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                          Bill.  I had a friend went to PENNDOT last
                          week
                          <div><br clear="none">
                          </div>
                          <div>The lady on desk told her that was
                            difference between plates</div>
                          <div><br clear="none">
                          </div>
                          <div>And insurance company may not insure you </div>
                          <div><br clear="none">
                          </div>
                          <div>You would think they know </div>
                          <div><br clear="none">
                          </div>
                          <div><br clear="none">
                          </div>
                          <div>Would like to get in writing from PENNDOT</div>
                          <div><br clear="none">
                          </div>
                          <div>Thx</div>
                          <div><br clear="none">
                          </div>
                          <div>Rich R <br clear="none">
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                              <div><span
                                  
style="color:black;font-family:arial;font-size:small;">Even
                                  before any recent changes, there is no
                                  restriction to drive an antique
                                  registered car in PA after dark as
                                  long as you lighting meets current
                                  standards. This has been true for at
                                  least the last 25 years if not longer.
                                  Many people do not understand this and
                                  stick with Classic plates. </span>
                                <div><br clear="none">
                                </div>
                                <div>Bill Cooper <br clear="none">
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                                    Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2019 9:10 pm <br
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                                    Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting <br
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                                              <div>I looked into the
                                                after dark driving in PA
                                                in the past, and this
                                                statement "used" to be
                                                there....</div>
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                                              <div><strong><span
                                                    
style="color:#6a6a6a;font-family:Roboto,
                                                    arial, 
sans-serif;">Antique</span><span
style="color:#545454;font-family:Roboto, arial, sans-serif;"> vehicles
                                                    operated exclusively
                                                    between sunrise 
and </span><span
style="color:#6a6a6a;font-family:Roboto, arial, sans-serif;">sunset</span><span
style="color:#545454;font-family:Roboto, arial, sans-serif;"> are exempt
                                                    from the normal
                                                    
lighting </span></strong></div>
                                              <div><strong><span
                                                    
style="color:#545454;font-family:Roboto,
                                                    arial, 
sans-serif;">requirements
                                                    of the </span><span
style="color:#6a6a6a;font-family:Roboto, arial, 
sans-serif;">Pennsylvania</span><span
style="color:#545454;font-family:Roboto, arial, sans-serif;"> Vehicle
                                                    Code, but must have
                                                    their original
                                                    lighting 
equipment.</span>  </strong></div>
                                              <div><strong><br
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                                                </strong></div>
                                              <div>It looks that that
                                                statement has now even
                                                been removed from the
                                                code, as I am unable to
                                                find</div>
                                              <div>it anyplace on
                                                PennDot documents...</div>
                                              <div><br clear="none">
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Here is what I think
                                                is the current document
                                                that mentions nothing
                                                about driving after
                                                dark..</div>
                                              <div><br clear="none">
                                              </div>
                                              <div>  <strong>USE OF
                                                  ANTIQUE, CLASSIC AND
                                                  VINTAGE REGISTRATION
                                                  PLATES The use of
                                                  antique, classic and
                                                  vintage registration
                                                  plates is governed by
                                                  Section 1340 of the
                                                  Pennsylvania Vehicle
                                                  Code, which states:
                                                  â??It is unlawful for
                                                  any person to operate
                                                  a motorcycle or
                                                  vehicle with antique,
                                                  classic or vintage
                                                  registration plates
                                                  for general daily
                                                  transportation.
                                                  Permitted use shall be
                                                  limited to
                                                  participation in club
                                                  activities, exhibits,
                                                  tours, parades,
                                                  occasional
                                                  transportation and
                                                  similar uses.â??
                                                  Occasional
                                                  transportation and
                                                  similar uses are
                                                  defined as no more
                                                  than one day a week.
                                                  Although buses and
                                                  trucks are eligible
                                                  for antique, classic
                                                  and vintage
                                                  registration plates,
                                                  buses MAY NOT be used
                                                  to transport
                                                  passengers and trucks
                                                  MAY NOT haul cargo.
                                                  Antique, classic and
                                                  vintage registration
                                                  plates are not
                                                  available for
                                                  motorized pedalcycles
                                                  or motor 
homes.</strong> </div>
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                                              <div>My Thoughts...</div>
                                              <div>Happy Sunday :-)</div>
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                                              <div>Joe</div>
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                                                <div>Mine is American
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                                                <div>I would not be
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