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Bill is correct.
"Classic vehicles are subject to an annual vehicle safety inspection. Antiq=
ue vehicles operated exclusively
between sunrise and sunset are exempt from the normal lighting requirements=
of the Pennsylvania Vehicle
Code, but must have their original lighting equipment. Antique vehicles are=
not subject to the annual vehicle
safety inspection. Antique and classic vehicles are not subject to emission=
s inspection."
This sentence is put in so that people don't drive their Model T with gas l=
amps and no turn signals after dark. It is saying you can drive your origin=
ally equipped Model T during daylight hours only. Bottom line is that if th=
e lighting is DOT approved and would pass a safety inspection, you can driv=
e it any time of the day or night regardless of which plate is on it. I hea=
r this can't drive after dark all the time because of misinterpretation of =
this one sentence.
Jim
> On January 28, 2019 at 8:16 AM xj61975--- via Wpta <wpta@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
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> Believe what you want, Rich.
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> Penndot is so random that you are likely to get any answer on any giv=
en day depending on who you talk to.
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> Back when photos were required, I had applications bounced because of=
:
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> -a person sitting in the car
> -front window was down
> -license plate visible and "was not original to the car"
>=20
> I actually resubmitted the photos with the person in the car to see w=
hat would happen, and a week later I got my plate. Go figure.
>=20
> If you can find in writing within the vehicle code that antique plate=
s are not valid after dark, please let us know what section.
>=20
> I did up a 1941 Ford in the mid 1980's. I had a good friend who was a=
State Trooper at the time who ran it up his chain of command. "If you wan=
t to drive legally after dark, make sure you have two taillights, turn sign=
als, and sealed beam headlights". That was good enough for me.
>=20
> Or just go with Classic and keep going in for inspections each year.
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Bill
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> From: rroenigk <rroenigk@aol.com>
> To: xj61975 <xj61975@aol.com>
> Cc: jstout310 <jstout310@gmail.com>; wpta <wpta@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2019 7:45 am
> Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting
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> Bill. I had a friend went to PENNDOT last week
>=20
> The lady on desk told her that was difference between plates
>=20
> And insurance company may not insure you=20
>=20
> You would think they know=20
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> Would like to get in writing from PENNDOT
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> Thx
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> Rich R
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> On Sunday, January 27, 2019, xj61975@aol.com <xj61975@aol.com> wrote:
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> > > Even before any recent changes, there is no restricti=
on to drive an antique registered car in PA after dark as long as you light=
ing meets current standards. This has been true for at least the last 25 ye=
ars if not longer. Many people do not understand this and stick with Classi=
c plates.
> >=20
> > Bill Cooper
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Stout via Wpta <wpta@autox.team.net>
> > To: rroenigk <rroenigk@aol.com>
> > Cc: wpta <wpta@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2019 9:10 pm
> > Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting
> >=20
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> > I looked into the after dark driving in PA in the past, and thi=
s statement "used" to be there....
> >=20
> > Antique vehicles operated exclusively between sunrise and sunse=
t are exempt from the normal lighting=20
> > requirements of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code, but must have th=
eir original lighting equipment. =20
> >=20
> > It looks that that statement has now even been removed from the=
code, as I am unable to find
> > it anyplace on PennDot documents...
> >=20
> > Here is what I think is the current document that mentions noth=
ing about driving after dark..
> >=20
> > USE OF ANTIQUE, CLASSIC AND VINTAGE REGISTRATION PLATES The u=
se of antique, classic and vintage registration plates is governed by Secti=
on 1340 of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code, which states: =E2=80=9CIt is unla=
wful for any person to operate a motorcycle or vehicle with antique, classi=
c or vintage registration plates for general daily transportation. Permitte=
d use shall be limited to participation in club activities, exhibits, tours=
, parades, occasional transportation and similar uses.=E2=80=9D Occasional =
transportation and similar uses are defined as no more than one day a week.=
Although buses and trucks are eligible for antique, classic and vintage re=
gistration plates, buses MAY NOT be used to transport passengers and trucks=
MAY NOT haul cargo. Antique, classic and vintage registration plates are n=
ot available for motorized pedalcycles or motor homes.=20
> >=20
> > http://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/dvspubsforms/BMV/BMV%20Fact%2=
0Sheets/fs-ant.pdf
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> > >=20
> > > Mine is American Modern and they say they go by each Stat=
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> > > I would not be covered when driving in dark hours in PA
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</head><body>Bill is correct.<br><br>"Classic vehicles are subject to an
annual vehicle safety inspection. Antique vehicles operated
exclusively<br>between sunrise and sunset are exempt from the normal lighting
requirements of the Pennsylvania Vehicle<br>Code, but must have their original
lighting equipment. Antique vehicles are not subject to the annual
vehicle<br>safety inspection. Antique and classic vehicles are not subject to
emissions inspection."<br><br>This sentence is put in so that people
don't drive their Model T with gas lamps and no turn signals after dark.
It is saying you can drive your originally equipped Model T during daylight
hours only. Bottom line is that if the lighting is DOT approved and would pass
a safety inspection, you can drive it any time of the day or night regardless
of which plate is on it. I hear this can't drive after dark all the time
because of misinterpretation of this one sentence.<br>Jim<br><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
On January 28, 2019 at 8:16 AM xj61975--- via Wpta
<wpta@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<font color="black" size="2" face="arial">Believe what you want, Rich.
<div>
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Penndot is so random that you are likely to get any answer on any given day
depending on who you talk to.
</div>
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<br>
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<div>
Back when photos were required, I had applications bounced because of:
</div>
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<br>
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-a person sitting in the car
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-front window was down
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-license plate visible and "was not original to the car"
</div>
<div>
<br>
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<div>
I actually resubmitted the photos with the person in the car to see what
would happen, and a week later I got my plate. Go figure.
</div>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>
If you can find in writing within the vehicle code that antique plates are
not valid after dark, please let us know what section.
</div>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>
I did up a 1941 Ford in the mid 1980's. I had a good friend who was a
State Trooper at the time who ran it up his chain of command.  "If you
want to drive legally after dark, make sure you have two taillights, turn
signals, and sealed beam headlights". That was good enough for me.
</div>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>
Or just go with Classic and keep going in for inspections each year.
</div>
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<br>
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<div>
Thanks,
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<br>
</div>
<div>
<span style="font-size: 10pt;">Bill</span>
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-----Original Message-----
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<br> To: xj61975 <xj61975@aol.com>
<br> Cc: jstout310 <jstout310@gmail.com>; wpta
<wpta@autox.team.net>
<br> Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2019 7:45 am
<br> Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting
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Bill.  I had a friend went to PENNDOT last week
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The lady on desk told her that was difference between plates
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And insurance company may not insure you 
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You would think they know 
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Would like to get in writing from PENNDOT
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Thx
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changes, there is no restriction to drive an antique registered car in PA after
dark as long as you lighting meets current standards. This has been true for at
least the last 25 years if not longer. Many people do not understand this and
stick with Classic plates. </font>
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<br clear="none"> Cc: wpta <wpta@autox.team.net>
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I looked into the after dark driving in PA in the past, and
this statement "used" to be there....
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<b><span style="color: rgb(106,106,106); font-family:
Roboto, arial, sans-serif;">Antique</span><span style="color: rgb(84,84,84);
font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif;"> vehicles operated exclusively
between sunrise and </span><span style="color: rgb(106,106,106);
font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif;">sunset</span><span style="color:
rgb(84,84,84); font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif;"> are exempt from
the normal lighting </span></b>
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<b><span style="color: rgb(84,84,84); font-family: Roboto,
arial, sans-serif;">requirements of the </span><span style="color:
rgb(106,106,106); font-family: Roboto, arial,
sans-serif;">Pennsylvania</span><span style="color: rgb(84,84,84); font-family:
Roboto, arial, sans-serif;"> Vehicle Code, but must have their original
lighting equipment.</span>  </b>
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It looks that that statement has now even been removed from
the code, as I am unable to find
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it anyplace on PennDot documents...
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Here is what I think is the current document that mentions
nothing about driving after dark..
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<b>USE OF ANTIQUE, CLASSIC AND VINTAGE REGISTRATION PLATES
The use of antique, classic and vintage registration plates is governed by
Section 1340 of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code, which states: “It is
unlawful for any person to operate a motorcycle or vehicle with antique,
classic or vintage registration plates for general daily transportation.
Permitted use shall be limited to participation in club activities, exhibits,
tours, parades, occasional transportation and similar uses.” Occasional
transportation and similar uses are defined as no more than one day a week.
Although buses and trucks are eligible for antique, classic and vintage
registration plates, buses MAY NOT be used to transport passengers and trucks
MAY NOT haul cargo. Antique, classic and vintage registration plates are not
available for motorized pedalcycles or motor homes.</b> 
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Antique Tags
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If PA law says can’t drive after dark, does your
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Mine is American Modern and they say they go by each States
restrictions / guidelines 
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I would not be covered when driving in dark hours in PA
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