this is not a first! there are 2 restored(uncertain if they are completed
or still under way) miller race cars that are comprised of the remains of
the same car. imagine the 2 owners problems since they both may believe
they are restoring the miller that won at indy ! and i also have heard of a
miller that ran at indy as part of the miller team of 3 cars and there is a
degree of uncertainty as to wich car it is ....the winning car that year or
one of the other two that finished farther back? these are very rare and
expensive cars they are restoring and are encountering these problems. my
H-mod car is chassis #1 of 2 manufactured by my father. it's a copy of an
elva MK6 chassis. there is strong evidence that #2 has surfaced restored as
an elva MK6! my father finds this hilarious! but once again imagine what
would happen to that specific car if i were to see it and recognise my car's
twin chassis? big bucks car becomes....a replicar. these are real
stories, not "imagine if" stories. yes these situations do arise. and i'm
positive legal battles would follow once the need to determine who had the
"real" car needs to be established. but we are discussing replicars and
recreations and restorations of period race cars....right?
i'm more interested in going racing. you guys can hash this out. if for
some reason i'm going to be excluded with my current car....i'll find
another and i'll be back. my drive /desire to participate is such that
exception of 1 car will not deter my participation...it may slow down my
progress but never stop me(i'm an extremly motivated large person...lol!).
in the end the opinions will still be varied as to who shall be allowed to
do what where. as for me? i think i'm going hillclimbing this weekend. a
healthy exchange of opinions is a good thing. but i'm going out to exchange
my set of plugs....and do a pre-race check of my car.....' cause....i'm
going racing.
chuck.
----- Original Message -----
From: <WSpohn4@aol.com>
To: <mgvrmark@hotmail.com>; <vintage-race@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Vintage race cars built today
> In a message dated 10/07/01 3:05:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> mgvrmark@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> > . I don't think it is a simple matter at all,
> > and I don't envy guys like Jack Woehrle or Jerry Greaves or whomever
that
> > has to make the decisions for their club/employer.
> >
>
> Nor I, which is why I gave up writing and enforcing rules (except as a
> business) years ago.
>
> What, for instance, do you do with the guy who shows up with the Bugeye
with
> the 215 Olds in it (verifiable as a period race car and chosen as an
example
> that I'm pretty sure we'd all agree we would not like to see running
without
> some pretty convincing history).
>
> Probably have to let him run.
>
> OK, what do you do when his buddy shows up with another one, obviously
copied
> from the real one, but built decades later?
>
> You could arguably deny him entry, for although the parts are all period,
> they weren't assembled as a car in the relevant period.
>
> But what if the second car is built by the owner of the real one, using
bits
> from it, as he had trashed the body, say, years ago, and kept some of the
> parts. Does this scenario validate the car as a 'continuation' of the
> original?
>
> Many would say yes.
>
> OK, so now what if we go through the previous scenario, the 'restoration'
is
> allowed to run, and 2 years later, the real original car shows up,
verified
> by serial number? Who gets told they can't race?
>
> And even harder, what if car #2 was built from the chassis that the
original
> owner thought had been wrecked?
>
> All this may sound a little far fetched, but believe me, it has happened
in
> Ferraris, and even more modest race cars, including one-off sports racing
> cars.
>
> The poor unappreciated scrutineer must make decisions like this, for which
he
> receives no thanks from anyone, just snarling and vituperation (some of
these
> cars are worth many times as originals what they would be as replicas).
>
> I have one client who has the serial number plate, some significant main
> parts, and a log book for an historic car that he wanted to rebuild some
day
> with a new tub. Imagine his surprise when he found that another car in
> England suddenly appeared using his chassis number. In this case it was a
D
> type Jag (so we are talking big bucks here), and the guy that built it in
> England obviously thought the original was long disappeared and that he
was
> safe in using the serial number for his Lynx D-type, based on having a
rear
> suspension upright or some such with that serial number on it, as a
starting
> point. It would probably take a lawsuit to sort that one out.
>
>
> Bill
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