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All I know is, nothing else worked until I got the idea to tap the ID of
the bush (9/16 tap) then threaded in a bolt of that size long enough to
bottom-out in the hole behind the bush. The force of the threads pushing
outward freed the bush with something of a =E2=80=98pop=E2=80=99. Glad it=
=E2=80=99s out!
Dave
On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 12:56 PM Michael Marr <mmarr@albiontechnical.com>
wrote:
> That=E2=80=99s an old machinist=E2=80=99s trick - if a bushing is too loo=
se in a hole,
> knurl the outside and the peaks created by the knurling tool will take up
> the excessive clearance. But I doubt that that caused it to stick, becaus=
e
> the contact area between a knurled Bush and its hole is somewhat less tha=
n
> a plain bush and its hole. Maybe somebody loctited it.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 26, 2021, at 11:43, DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> I haven't seen one that is knurled like that. Perhaps that's what made i=
t
> difficult to remove. Glad you got it out.
> Dave H.
>
> On 11/17/2021 2:21 PM David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks again to everyone. I divided a method for getting the pilot bush
> out.
>
> See photo:
>
> <image.png>
>
>
> I didn't know it had a knurled end! No wonder it had such a grip on the
> crank!
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 4:35 PM tritriple <tritriple@aol.com> wrote:
>
> When all else fails......dynamite!!!! Just a small charge....
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Friedlander via NET <net@newenglandtriumphs.org>
> Date: 11/17/21 3:41 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag@gmail.com>
> Cc: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville@hotmail.com>,
> tritriple@aol.com, Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>, New England
> Triumphs <net@newenglandtriumphs.org>
> Subject: Re: [NET] [TR] Pilot bush -- TR3
>
> Thank you, everyone for all your well-informed and helpful responses!
>
> I have now removed the flywheel and delivered it to the local machine sho=
p
> for resurfacing. In the meantime, the pilot bush STILL will not come out =
of
> the back of the crankshaft and I am devising plans to get it to move. I
> love when people say, "Do this and it will just pop out!" Riggght.... :-=
)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 3:28 PM Sujit Roy <triumphstag@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> When taking flywheel off on a Stag they recommend replacing the bolts. No=
t
> cheap.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021, 12:03 PM Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <
> deruiterville@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> No problem with an impact wrench for removal. To reinstall, here is my
> version of a flywheel locking tool. I'm unsure of the Churchill Tool
> number, but note the calibrated on the 2x4 wedge where the flywheel teeth
> dug in and locked. Just tap the wedge in the starter hole to immobilize
> the flywheel, torque down, and remove the highly calibrated tool for late=
r
> use.
>
> Randy
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of David
> Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 17, 2021 11:27 AM
> *To:* tritriple@aol.com <tritriple@aol.com>
> *Cc:* triumphs@autox.team.net <triumphs@autox.team.net>;
> net@newenglandtriumphs.org <net@newenglandtriumphs.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] [NET] Pilot bush -- TR3
>
>
> Since the flywheel/crank rotate when I try to loosen the flywheel bolts
> with a ratchet wrench, is it permissible to use an air impact wrench to
> loosen them or is that not a good idea?
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 10:34 AM John Bowe via NET <
> net@newenglandtriumphs.org> wrote:
>
> A couple ways to remove bush..... If you have a wood dowel the right
> size. Fill the hole with grease and then jam dowel into bush. The pressu=
re
> of grease behind bush should push it out. Another way is to find a threa=
d
> tap the right size for inside bush and wind it in. The tap will bottom ou=
t
> in flywheel and pull the bush out. If you have a small seal puller with
> the outside facing arms that could work if there is room for fingers to g=
et
> behind bush edges. Just a few of many ways. See ya, John B.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Friedlander via NET <net@newenglandtriumphs.org>
> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <
> net@newenglandtriumphs.org>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2021 10:03 am
> Subject: [NET] Pilot bush -- TR3
>
> Good morning listers!
>
> A quick question: To remove the pilot bushing from the crank, do
> I also have to remove the flywheel? I've already removed the disc
> and pressure plate but the pilot doesn't seem to want to budge....
>
> Thanks for any insights,
>
> Dave
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<div dir=3D"auto">All I know is, nothing else worked until I got the idea t=
o tap the ID of the bush (9/16 tap) then threaded in a bolt of that size lo=
ng enough to bottom-out in the hole behind the bush. The force of the threa=
ds pushing outward freed the bush with something of a =E2=80=98pop=E2=80=99=
. Glad it=E2=80=99s out!</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>Dave</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 12:56 PM Michael Marr <<a href=3D"mail=
to:mmarr@albiontechnical.com">mmarr@albiontechnical.com</a>> wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"auto">
That=E2=80=99s an old machinist=E2=80=99s trick - if a bushing is too loose=
in a hole, knurl the outside and the peaks created by the knurling tool wi=
ll take up the excessive clearance. But I doubt that that caused it to stic=
k, because the contact area between a knurled Bush
and its hole is somewhat less than a plain bush and its hole. Maybe somebo=
dy loctited it.=C2=A0
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Mike<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Nov 26, 2021, at 11:43, DAVE HOGYE <<a href=
=3D"mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank">dlhogye@comcast.net</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#=
333333">
<span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt">I haven't seen one=
that is knurled like that.=C2=A0 Perhaps that's what made it difficult=
to remove.=C2=A0 Glad you got it out.=C2=A0</span>
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#=
333333">
<span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt">Dave H.=C2=A0</span> <=
/div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>On 11/17/2021 2:21 PM David Friedlander <<a href=3D"mailto:forzion7=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">forzion7@gmail.com</a>> wrote: </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0=
00099" class=3D"gmail_default">
Thanks again to everyone. I divided=C2=A0a method for getting the pilot bus=
h out.=C2=A0 </div>
<div style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0=
00099" class=3D"gmail_default">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0=
00099" class=3D"gmail_default">
See photo: </div>
<div style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0=
00099" class=3D"gmail_default">
<br>
</div>
</div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large=
;color:#000099" class=3D"gmail_default">
<div><image.png></div>
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0=
00099" class=3D"gmail_default">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0=
00099" class=3D"gmail_default">
I didn't know it had a knurled end! No wonder it had such a grip on the=
crank! </div>
<div style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0=
00099" class=3D"gmail_default">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0=
00099" class=3D"gmail_default">
Dave </div>
<div style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0=
00099" class=3D"gmail_default">
<br>
</div>
</div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 4:35 PM tritr=
iple <<a href=3D"mailto:tritriple@aol.com"; rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_b=
lank">tritriple@aol.com</a>> wrote:
<br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"auto">
<div dir=3D"auto">When all else fails......dynamite!!!! Just a small charge=
.... </div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" id=3D"m_-803150686823157506gmail-m_2675998119326339909gma=
il-m_936803255640630862composer_signature">
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-size:85%;color:#575757">Sent from my Verizo=
n, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:100%;color:#000000" dir=3D"auto" align=3D"left">
<div>-------- Original message -------- </div>
<div>From: David Friedlander via NET <<a href=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtr=
iumphs.org" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">net@newenglandtriumphs.org</=
a>>
</div>
<div>Date: 11/17/21 3:41 PM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: Sujit Roy <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphstag@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noop=
ener" target=3D"_blank">triumphstag@gmail.com</a>>
</div>
<div>Cc: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <<a href=3D"mailto:deruiterville@hot=
mail.com" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">deruiterville@hotmail.com</a>&=
gt;,
<a href=3D"mailto:tritriple@aol.com"; rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">tri=
triple@aol.com</a>, Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"=
rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>>, New En=
gland Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumphs.org"; rel=3D"noo=
pener" target=3D"_blank">net@newenglandtriumphs.org</a>>
</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [NET] [TR] Pilot bush -- TR3 </div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:'comic sans ms',s=
ans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">
Thank you, everyone for all your well-informed and helpful=C2=A0responses! =
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:'comic sans ms',s=
ans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:'comic sans ms',s=
ans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">
I have now removed the flywheel and delivered it to the local machine shop =
for resurfacing. In the meantime, the pilot bush STILL will not come=C2=A0o=
ut of the back of the crankshaft and I am devising plans to get it to move.=
I love when people say, "Do this and
it will just pop out!" Riggght....=C2=A0 :- ) <br>
<br>
Dave </div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:'comic sans ms',s=
ans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:'comic sans ms',s=
ans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">
<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 3:28 PM Sujit=
Roy <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphstag@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noopener" target=
=3D"_blank">triumphstag@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"auto">When taking flywheel off on a Stag they recommend replaci=
ng the bolts. Not cheap.=C2=A0
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 17, 2021, 12:03 PM Randy =
and Valerie DeRuiter <<a href=3D"mailto:deruiterville@hotmail.com"; rel=
=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">deruiterville@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:#000000">
No problem with an impact wrench for removal.=C2=A0 To reinstall, here is m=
y version of a flywheel locking tool.=C2=A0 I'm unsure of the Churchill=
Tool number, but note the calibrated on the 2x4 wedge where the flywheel t=
eeth dug in and locked.=C2=A0 Just tap the wedge in
the starter hole to immobilize the flywheel, torque down, and remove the h=
ighly calibrated tool for later use.
</div>
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:#000000">
<br>
</div>
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:#000000">
Randy </div>
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><strong>From:</strong> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team=
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<strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, November 17, 2021 11:27 AM<br>
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<strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] [NET] Pilot bush -- TR3</span>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Since the flywheel/crank rotate when I try to loosen the =
flywheel bolts with a ratchet wrench, is it permissible to use an air impac=
t wrench to loosen them or is that not a good idea?
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<div dir=3D"auto">Dave </div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 10:34 AM John Bowe via NET <<a =
href=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumphs.org"; rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blan=
k">net@newenglandtriumphs.org</a>> wrote:
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<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">A couple wa=
ys to remove bush..... If you have a wood dowel the right size.=C2=A0 Fill =
the hole with grease and then jam dowel into bush. The pressure of grease b=
ehind bush should push it out.=C2=A0 Another
way is to find a thread tap the right size for inside bush and wind it in.=
The tap will bottom out in flywheel and pull the bush out.=C2=A0 If you ha=
ve a small seal puller with the outside facing arms that could work if ther=
e is room for fingers to get behind bush
edges.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Just a few of many ways.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 See ya, John B.=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <br>
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style=3D"font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-size:small">-----Original Me=
ssage-----<br>
From: David Friedlander via NET <<a href=3D"mailto:net@newenglandtriumph=
s.org" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">net@newenglandtriumphs.org</a>>=
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To: TR3 Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noop=
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Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2021 10:03 am<br>
Subject: [NET] Pilot bush -- TR3<br>
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Good morning listers! <br>
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A quick question: To remove the pilot bushing from the crank, do=C2=A0 </di=
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I also have to remove the flywheel? I've already removed the disc=C2=A0=
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and pressure plate but the pilot doesn't seem to want to budge.... </di=
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Thanks for any insights, </div>
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