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Subject: Re: [TR] New TR3A owner
From: Bob <yellowtr@adelphia.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:17:05 -0400
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Work hard and save. Retire as early as you can. You never know when your 
maker will come for you.

Bob

On 4/16/21 9:25 AM, Greg Lemon wrote:
>   "I think I need to retire and just play with Triumphs"
>
> Amen to that
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 8:17 AM Jim Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com 
>
>     Thanks all for your suggestions. Trying to help a friend while
>     doing my work and busyness is a challenge.  I think I need to
>     retire and just play with Triumphs.  Will try all recommendations
>     this weekend.  Cheers
>
>     Jim Henningsen
>
>     *Sent:* Friday, April 16, 2021 8:37 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [TR] New TR3A owner
>
>     The one time I had to tow the car home was because the DPO
>     installed the fuel level sender without a gasket but used RTV
>     instead.  RTV is NOT gasoline tolerant.  I globule that exuded
>     inside the take swelled up and dropped off and plugged the fuel
>     line.  This convenient short cut by the DPO cost me several hours
>     and quite a few dollars resulting in pulling the tank and having
>     it cleaned a lined.
>
>     The only other running issue I had was a loose rivet on the coil
>     terminal.
>
>     The usual diagnostic procedures are in order.  1) verify spark. 
>     2) verify fuel.  Note that 12.2 volts is a bit low and 11.4 is a
>     bit low but it should be sufficient to run the engine.  What
>     voltage do you measure whilst cranking?  If it stays up above 8 -
>     9 volts you'll be fine.
>
>     Dave
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     To: 'James Henningsen' <trguy75@gmail.com
>     Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2021 7:07 am
>     Subject: Re: [TR] New TR3A owner
>
>     The first time our first TR3 died, I was out with my wife and we
>     were about 2 miles from home.  As we trudged our way home I
>     explained that this was part of the fun of owning a TR.  I'm not
>     sure she was convinced.......
>
>     Hopefully your neighbor  isn't too upset.
>
>     Really looking forward to being another of your neighbors next winter!
>
>     Andrew Uprichard
>     Jackson, Michigan
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net
>     Henningsen
>     Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:51 PM
>     Subject: Re: [TR] New TR3A owner
>
>     Yes.  Iâ??m going to pull a spark plug and test for spark against
>     the block tomorrow.  I know enough to get me in trouble which is
>     why I do appreciate this list  Jim
>
>     > On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:38 PM, Greg Gelhar <greg@gelhar.com
>     >
>     > When you sprayed fluid into the carbs, had you lifted the
>     slides to
>     > open the fuel/ air passages?
>     >
>     > Greg G
>     > Osseo, MN
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net
>     > Henningsen
>     > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:20 PM
>     > Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
>     >
>     > List:
>     > I successfully convinced my neighbor to buy a new to him 1958 TR3A.
>     > Great to have a new first time TR owner, especially here in
>     Ocala, FL.
>     > Car arrived today and of course it crapped out on him after 10
>     miles.
>     > Luckily right in front of his house.  We got the car back into his
>     > garage before the rain came.  Car cranks over fine just won't
>     run.  It
>     > literally just died on him at a stop sign after the ten mile drive.
>     > 12.2 volts at the battery, but
>     > 11.4 on the coil with ignition on. Positive ground car.  Is 11.4
>     > normal at the coil to start or is it losing voltage from
>     ignition switch to coil.
>     > White wires from ignition switch look nice and tight.  With
>     ignition
>     > switch on,  it also has 11.4 volts at white wires on second fuse
>     on the fuse box.
>     >
>     > Just wanted to confirm 11.4 seems ok to start this puppy before
>     I dig
>     > into points, condenser, rotor, cap and wires.  I don't think it is
>     > fuel as I sprayed starter fluid in the carbs and still nothing.
>     >
>     > Thanks,
>     > Jim "I need spark" Henningsen
>     > Ocala FL
>     >
>     >
>     >
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    <p>Work hard and save. Retire as early as you can. You never know
      when your maker will come for you. <br>
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    <p>Bob<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/16/21 9:25 AM, Greg Lemon wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="auto">  "I think I need to retire and just play with
        Triumphs"
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        <div dir="auto">Amen to that</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 8:17 AM
          Jim Henningsen &lt;<a href="mailto:trguy75@gmail.com";
            moz-do-not-send="true">trguy75@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks all for your suggestions. 
                Trying to help a friend while doing my work and busyness
                is a challenge.  I think I need to retire and just play
                with Triumphs.  Will try all recommendations this
                weekend.  Cheers</p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Jim Henningsen</p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; target="_blank"
                    rel="noreferrer" 
moz-do-not-send="true">dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt;
                  <br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 16, 2021 8:37 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net";
                    target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>;
                  <a href="mailto:trguy75@gmail.com"; target="_blank"
                    rel="noreferrer" 
moz-do-not-send="true">trguy75@gmail.com</a>;
                  <a href="mailto:greg@gelhar.com"; target="_blank"
                    rel="noreferrer" 
moz-do-not-send="true">greg@gelhar.com</a><br>
                  <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:Triumphs@autox.team.net";
                    target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">Triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] New TR3A owner</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">The
                      one time I had to tow the car home was because the
                      DPO installed the fuel level sender without a
                      gasket but used RTV instead.  RTV is NOT gasoline
                      tolerant.  I globule that exuded inside the take
                      swelled up and dropped off and plugged the fuel
                      line.  This convenient short cut by the DPO cost
                      me several hours and quite a few dollars resulting
                      in pulling the tank and having it cleaned a 
lined.</span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">The
                      only other running issue I had was a loose rivet
                      on the coil terminal.</span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">The
                      usual diagnostic procedures are in order.  1)
                      verify spark.  2) verify fuel.  Note that 12.2
                      volts is a bit low and 11.4 is a bit low but it
                      should be sufficient to run the engine.  What
                      voltage do you measure whilst cranking?  If it
                      stays up above 8 - 9 volts you'll be fine.</span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Dave
                    </span><span
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">-----Original
                      Message-----<br>
                      From: <a href="mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net";
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">auprichard@uprichard.net</a><br>
                      To: 'James Henningsen' &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:trguy75@gmail.com"; target="_blank"
                        rel="noreferrer" 
moz-do-not-send="true">trguy75@gmail.com</a>&gt;;
                      'Greg Gelhar' &lt;<a href="mailto:greg@gelhar.com";
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">greg@gelhar.com</a>&gt;<br>
                      Cc: <a href="mailto:Triumphs@autox.team.net";
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">Triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>
                      Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2021 7:07 am<br>
                      Subject: Re: [TR] New TR3A owner</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">The
                        first time our first TR3 died, I was out with my
                        wife and we were about 2 miles from home.  As we
                        trudged our way home I explained that this was
                        part of the fun of owning a TR.  I'm not sure
                        she was convinced.......<br>
                        <br>
                        Hopefully your neighbor  isn't too upset.<br>
                        <br>
                        Really looking forward to being another of your
                        neighbors next winter!<br>
                        <br>
                        Andrew Uprichard<br>
                        Jackson, Michigan<br>
                        <br>
                        -----Original Message-----<br>
                        From: Triumphs &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";
                          target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                          
moz-do-not-send="true">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                        On Behalf Of James Henningsen<br>
                        Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:51 PM<br>
                        To: Greg Gelhar &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:greg@gelhar.com"; target="_blank"
                          rel="noreferrer" 
moz-do-not-send="true">greg@gelhar.com</a>&gt;<br>
                        Cc: <a href="mailto:Triumphs@autox.team.net";
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                        Subject: Re: [TR] New TR3A owner<br>
                        <br>
                        Yes.  Iâ??m going to pull a spark plug and test
                        for spark against the block tomorrow.  I know
                        enough to get me in trouble which is why I do
                        appreciate this list  Jim <br>
                        <br>
                        &gt; On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:38 PM, Greg Gelhar
                        &lt;<a href="mailto:greg@gelhar.com";
                          target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">greg@gelhar.com</a>&gt;
                        wrote:<br>
                        &gt; <br>
                        &gt; </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">When
                        you sprayed fluid into the carbs, had you lifted
                        the slides to <br>
                        &gt; open the fuel/ air passages?<br>
                        &gt; <br>
                        &gt; Greg G<br>
                        &gt; Osseo, MN<br>
                        &gt; <br>
                        &gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
                        &gt; From: Triumphs &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";
                          target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                          
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                        On Behalf Of Jim <br>
                        &gt; Henningsen<br>
                        &gt; Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:20 PM<br>
                        &gt; To: <a
                          href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";
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                        &gt; Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner<br>
                        &gt; <br>
                        &gt; List:<br>
                        &gt; I successfully convinced my neighbor to buy
                        a new to him 1958 TR3A.  <br>
                        &gt; Great to have a new first time TR owner,
                        especially here in Ocala, FL.  <br>
                        &gt; Car arrived today and of course it crapped
                        out on him after 10 miles. <br>
                        &gt; Luckily right in front of his house.  We
                        got the car back into his <br>
                        &gt; garage before the rain came.  Car cranks
                        over fine just won't run.  It <br>
                        &gt; literally just died on him at a stop sign
                        after the ten mile drive.  <br>
                        &gt; 12.2 volts at the battery, but<br>
                        &gt; 11.4 on the coil with ignition on. 
                        Positive ground car.  Is 11.4 <br>
                        &gt; normal at the coil to start or is it losing
                        voltage from ignition switch to coil.<br>
                        &gt; White wires from ignition switch look nice
                        and tight.  With ignition <br>
                        &gt; switch on,  it also has 11.4 volts at white
                        wires on second fuse on the fuse box.<br>
                        &gt; <br>
                        &gt; Just wanted to confirm 11.4 seems ok to
                        start this puppy before I dig <br>
                        &gt; into points, condenser, rotor, cap and
                        wires.  I don't think it is <br>
                        &gt; fuel as I sprayed starter fluid in the
                        carbs and still nothing.<br>
                        &gt; <br>
                        &gt; Thanks,<br>
                        &gt; Jim "I need spark" Henningsen<br>
                        &gt; Ocala FL<br>
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