Re: [TR] TR2 to TR3 Transition Question

[DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net>]

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Well, as far as I know there were no scallops on the TR2 aprons.  I have a =
long door TR2 that has the original apron and I have seen one other like th=
is on a TR2.  All of the TR3 aprons that I have seen had the scallops and h=
oles for the grill and or the forward trim surround.  I have seen a TR2 for=
 sale that the seller said had all TR2 sheet metal, but the apron had the s=
callops as well as worms hanging on the back side of the apron where there =
was quite obviously a TR3 grill and trim fitting holes.  In this case, it w=
as absolutely a TR3 apron fitted to a TR2 long door.  However, was there a =
sharing of panels between model production overlap?  I could not say for su=
re...I just know it's true.  The forward grill of the TR3 makes sense to ha=
ve the scallops behind the grill.  TR2s deep set egg crate grill would not =
provide the necessary protection of objects entering the engine compartment=
, like perhaps a sparrow, through the open scallops.  I have a couple beat =
up old TR3 aprons and they all have the same scallops and holes.  No worms =
though, but that sparrow would have certainly been drawn to them. =20
DH

> On May 15, 2020 at 7:33 PM Jonas Payne <jpayne@jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com>=
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>     Based on the quality of the remainder of the car I seriously d oubt a=
 quality weld up.   LOL.  To confirm, no scallops on the TR2 inner shroud?
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>     From: Dave <dlhogye@comcast.net>
>     Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 7:06:02 PM
>     To: Jonas Payne <jpayne@jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com>
>     Cc: jpaynepbr@cox.net <jpaynepbr@cox.net>; triumphs@autox.team.net <t=
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>     Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 to TR3 Transition Question
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>     Yes, that's correct. There were two large openings on the top/sides o=
n a TR3 apron. If the filler was applied there could be worms, but that dep=
ends.  They could be carefully welded up.=20
>     DH
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>     On May 15, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Jonas Payne < jpayne@jpaynepbr.onmicroso=
ft.com mailto:jpayne@jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com > wrote:
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>         > >         There were scalloped cut outside top tight and left o=
n the apron.  Photos and a feel up and around indicate no filler.  Typicall=
y there is a worm or booger on a filled hole?  Rivets on the commission pla=
te didnt look right.  Could be a late TR2 with an early TR3 plate?
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> >         From: Dave <dlhogye@comcast.net mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net >
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> >         Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 to TR3 Transition Question
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> >         The TR3 apron would have extra openings at the top inside of th=
e opening for the grill for extra cooling to the engine compartment, where =
on the TR2 the opening was completely enclosed all the way to the egg crate=
 grill.  TR3s should have holes for the forward mounting grill.  I think th=
at some later TR2 aprons may have had trim partly, I think 3/4 surrounding =
the grill opening.  You may find evidence of these trim fitting holes fille=
d. =20
> >         Dave H.
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> >         On May 15, 2020, at 3:11 PM, < jpaynepbr@cox.net mailto:jpaynep=
br@cox.net > < jpaynepbr@cox.net mailto:jpaynepbr@cox.net > wrote:
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> > >             I looked at a =E2=80=9955 TR3 today with a pretty early c=
ommission number, 9046.
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> > >             Interestingly, the car had a TR2 nose and grill.
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> > >             I=E2=80=99m curious as to whether or not it is cobbled to=
gether or whether in typical Triumph fashion, they just kept using parts un=
til they ran out and then went with the new stuff.
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> > >             Any input would be appreciated.
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   Well, as far as I know there were no scallops on the TR2 aprons.&nbsp; I=
 have a long door TR2 that has the original apron and I have seen one other=
 like this on a TR2.&nbsp; All of the TR3 aprons that I have seen had the s=
callops and holes for the grill and or the forward trim surround.&nbsp; I h=
ave seen a TR2 for sale that the seller said had all TR2 sheet metal, but t=
he apron had the scallops as well as worms hanging on the back side of the =
apron where there was quite obviously a TR3 grill and trim fitting holes.&n=
bsp; In this case, it was absolutely a TR3 apron fitted to a TR2 long door.=
&nbsp; However, was there a sharing of panels between model production over=
lap?&nbsp; I could not say for sure...I just know it's true.&nbsp; The forw=
ard grill of the TR3 makes sense to have the scallops behind the grill.&nbs=
p; TR2s deep set egg crate grill would not provide the necessary protection=
 of objects entering the engine compartment, like perhaps a sparrow, throug=
h the open scallops.&nbsp; I have a couple beat up old TR3 aprons and they =
all have the same scallops and holes.&nbsp; No worms though, but that sparr=
ow would have certainly been drawn to them.&nbsp;&nbsp;
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   DH
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   On May 15, 2020 at 7:33 PM Jonas Payne &lt;jpayne@jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.=
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ong> jpaynepbr@cox.net &lt;jpaynepbr@cox.net&gt;; triumphs@autox.team.net &=
lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;<br> <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] TR2 t=
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     Yes, that's correct. There were two large openings on the top/sides on=
 a TR3 apron. If the filler was applied there could be worms, but that depe=
nds. &nbsp;They could be carefully welded up.&nbsp;
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     <br> On May 15, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Jonas Payne &lt;=20
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       There were scalloped cut outside top tight and left on the apron.&nb=
sp; Photos and a feel up and around indicate no filler.&nbsp; Typically the=
re is a worm or booger on a filled hole?&nbsp; Rivets on the commission pla=
te didnt look right.&nbsp; Could be a late TR2 with an early TR3 plate?=20
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mcast.net">dlhogye@comcast.net</a>&gt;<br> <strong>Sent:</strong> Friday, M=
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ng> Re: [TR] TR2 to TR3 Transition Question</span>
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        The TR3 apron would have extra openings at the top inside of the op=
ening for the grill for extra cooling to the engine compartment, where on t=
he TR2 the opening was completely enclosed all the way to the egg crate gri=
ll. &nbsp;TR3s should have holes for the forward mounting grill. &nbsp;I th=
ink that some later TR2 aprons may have had trim partly, I think 3/4 surrou=
nding the grill opening. &nbsp;You may find evidence of these trim fitting =
holes filled. &nbsp;
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          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">I looked at a =E2=80=995=
5 TR3 today with a pretty early commission number, 9046.</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">Interestingly, the car h=
ad a TR2 nose and grill.</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m curious as t=
o whether or not it is cobbled together or whether in typical Triumph fashi=
on, they just kept using parts until they ran out and then went with the ne=
w stuff.</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">Any input would be appre=
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          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
          <p class=3D"ox-c8c853460f-x_x_MsoNormal">Jonas</p>
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