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Re: [TR] [EXTERNAL] Re: VINs

To: 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] [EXTERNAL] Re: VINs
From: Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 21:25:16 -0600
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I suspect it depends a lot on which clerk you get at the DMV.  There are a =
lot of special rules for old cars, which the average clerk doesn=E2=80=99t =
seem to know much about (nor often their supervisor).

The TR3A I bought around 1983 was an LO car, but the original paperwork had=
 the wrong number entirely.  Not sure how that happened, but no one noticed=
 for many years until the state started automatically matching insurance po=
licies to registrations.  Even then, the DMV didn=E2=80=99t care, it was ju=
st a hassle having to take in proof of insurance to get my registration.

I finally took them the car, showed the commission plate, and they wrote a =
new title with -LO on it.

More recently, I bought a 56 TR3 that came with California =E2=80=9Cblack p=
lates=E2=80=9D.  I wanted to keep the black plates on the car, but the DMV =
clerk insisted on writing up the paperwork under the =E2=80=9CYear of Manuf=
acture=E2=80=9D provision, which I told her did not apply to my car.  (Blac=
k plates didn=E2=80=99t come out until 1963.}  Of course Sacramento denied =
the application.  I went back to the DMV quoting chapter and verse from the=
 vehicle code, spoke to the branch supervisor and waited several hours befo=
re they finally admitted they did not know how to handle my application.  T=
hey eventually let me fill out a blank =E2=80=9Cstatement of facts=E2=80=9D=
 and sent that to Sacramento (who approved my black plates).

The federal standards defining =E2=80=9CVIN=E2=80=9D didn=E2=80=99t come ou=
t until 1981, so they don=E2=80=99t apply to our cars.  That=E2=80=99s why =
we don=E2=80=99t have 17 letters and numbers, and can have =E2=80=98O=E2=80=
=99.

-- Randall



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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>I suspect it depends a lot on which =
clerk you get at the DMV.=C2=A0 There are a lot of special rules for old ca=
rs, which the average clerk doesn=E2=80=99t seem to know much about (nor of=
ten their supervisor).</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal>The TR3A I bought around 1983 was an LO car, but the original=
 paperwork had the wrong number entirely.=C2=A0 Not sure how that happened,=
 but no one noticed for many years until the state started automatically ma=
tching insurance policies to registrations.=C2=A0 Even then, the DMV didn=
=E2=80=99t care, it was just a hassle having to take in proof of insurance =
to get my registration.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal>I finally took them the car, showed the commission plate, an=
d they wrote a new title with -LO on it.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>More recently, I bought a 56 TR3 that came =
with California =E2=80=9Cblack plates=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 I wanted to keep the =
black plates on the car, but the DMV clerk insisted on writing up the paper=
work under the =E2=80=9CYear of Manufacture=E2=80=9D provision, which I tol=
d her did not apply to my car.=C2=A0 (Black plates didn=E2=80=99t come out =
until 1963.}=C2=A0 Of course Sacramento denied the application. =C2=A0I wen=
t back to the DMV quoting chapter and verse from the vehicle code, spoke to=
 the branch supervisor and waited several hours before they finally admitte=
d they did not know how to handle my application.=C2=A0 They eventually let=
 me fill out a blank =E2=80=9Cstatement of facts=E2=80=9D and sent that to =
Sacramento (who approved my black plates).</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The federal standards defining =E2=80=9CV=
IN=E2=80=9D didn=E2=80=99t come out until 1981, so they don=E2=80=99t apply=
 to our cars.=C2=A0 That=E2=80=99s why we don=E2=80=99t have 17 letters and=
 numbers, and can have =E2=80=98O=E2=80=99.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- Randall<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoN=
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