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Re: [TR] [EXTERNAL] Re: VINs

To: "Reihing, Randall S." <Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu>, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>, 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] [EXTERNAL] Re: VINs
From: Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 16:34:49 -0800
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This was the mid 1990's.  I talked to the CA DMV on the phone before 
buying the car and in person when I went to transfer the car.  They 
insisted that the Oh was not valid in a VIN and it had to be a zero.  
Realized reality didn't matter with the DMV and it wasn't worth trying 
to be right with the facts.  Since my car has be a CA car since new, I'd 
guess when initially titled in 1972, they marked it as a zero.

Brian

On 11/7/2019 4:27 AM, Reihing, Randall S. wrote:
>
> How does changing the "O" to a "0" on the paper title, match the "O" 
>  on the riveted metal plate still on the car itself? How is it legal 
> to have a title with a VIN that does not match the VIN on the 
> vehicle's riveted metal plate?
>
>
> Randall Reihing
>
> 1960 TR3A
>
> 1959 TR3A
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Brian 
> Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 6, 2019 8:50:45 PM
> *To:* Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>; 'Triumphs' 
> <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] VINs
> My California TR6 title also ends L0 - L zero.  I told them it should 
> be an Oh for Overdrive, but they said I couldn't have an Oh and I was 
> wrong.  Not worth having an argument with the DMV.  The insurance 
> company was fine with whatever the title said.
>
> Brian
>
> On 11/6/2019 1:13 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote:
>>
>> I just went to get a title on a TR which came with a factory 
>> overdrive.  The old title appropriately ended ?LO?, but I was told 
>> that ?Os? and ?Is? are no longer acceptable in titles.  So I had to 
>> change the VIN (on the title) to ?L0?.  Then I had to call the 
>> insurance company to explain the same story to them and have them 
>> send me a proof of insurance with ?L0?.
>>
>> Anyone else come across this?  Maybe it has been going on for years:  
>> I have 4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first factory one.
>>
>> Andrew Uprichard
>>
>> Jackson, MI
>>
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    This was the mid 1990's.  I talked to the CA DMV on the phone before
    buying the car and in person when I went to transfer the car.  They
    insisted that the Oh was not valid in a VIN and it had to be a
    zero.  Realized reality didn't matter with the DMV and it wasn't
    worth trying to be right with the facts.  Since my car has be a CA
    car since new, I'd guess when initially titled in 1972, they marked
    it as a zero.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/7/2019 4:27 AM, Reihing, Randall
      S. wrote:<br>
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        <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">How does changing the
          "O" to a "0" on the paper title, match the "O"  on the riveted
          metal plate still on the car itself? How is it legal to have a
          title with a VIN that does not match the VIN on the
          vehicle's riveted metal plate?</p>
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        <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Randall Reihing</p>
        <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">1960 TR3A</p>
        <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">1959 TR3A</p>
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          Triumphs <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>&lt;triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
 on behalf of
          Brian Kemp <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:bk13@earthlink.net";>&lt;bk13@earthlink.net&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 6, 2019 8:50:45 PM<br>
          <b>To:</b> Andrew Uprichard <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net";>&lt;auprichard@uprichard.net&gt;</a>;
          'Triumphs' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>&lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] VINs</font>
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      <div style="background-color:#FFFFFF">My California TR6 title also
        ends L0 - L zero.  I told them it should be an Oh for Overdrive,
        but they said I couldn't have an Oh and I was wrong.  Not worth
        having an argument with the DMV.  The insurance company was fine
        with whatever the title said.<br>
        <br>
        Brian<br>
        <br>
        <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 11/6/2019 1:13 PM, Andrew
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                title on a TR which came with a factory overdrive.  The
                old title appropriately ended ?LO?, but I was told that
                ?Os? and ?Is? are no longer acceptable in titles.  So I
                had to change the VIN (on the title) to ?L0?.  Then I
                had to call the insurance company to explain the same
                story to them and have them send me a proof of insurance
                with ?L0?.</span></p>
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            <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">Anyone else come
                across this?  Maybe it has been going on for years:  I
                have 4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first
                factory one.</span></p>
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            <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">Andrew Uprichard</span></p>
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