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Great picture Don, I have always re-painted the orange =
=E2=80=9CTR3=E2=80=9D after an engine rebuild, used Chevrolet engine =
orange. Had never seen the china marker markings before.
Bill
=20
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don =
Hiscock
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:47 PM
To: John Macartney <John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk>; Triumphs =
<triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code
=20
Here's an image of the Coventry assembly line taken by a member of the =
tour group on Triumph USA's 1958 Rally of Europe for new owners who took =
their delivery at the factory and toured the Continent. One can see =
some of the various marshalling marks on the engines ready to be used on =
the line.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg
=20
On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM John Macartney =
wrote:
Thing is Jack, that this far down the track, no one knows! In fact, I =
doubt the majority of people at the factory did either:)
=20
Cheers, John
Sent from my iPad
On 17 Jan 2019, at 17:50, Jack McGahey <McGaheyRx@aol.com =
I have those markings on my TR6 block - reapplied after engine rebuild =
during restoration.
=20
I can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, but I can say that neither VTR or =
6-pack look for these markings, or deduct for their absence, during =
Concours judging - and I=E2=80=99ve never heard anybody say they knew =
what they meant or why they are there.=20
=20
Cheers,
Jack Mc
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, John Macartney =
wrote:
Jim
=20
In the rebuild of your car, did you by chance find any obscure markings =
in yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were =
common identifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who =
worked in engine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily, the mark =
was to distinguish the machined but unassembled block as being an =
ultimate engine for a North America spec car. Not all the blocks had =
these marks but I do know many others have encountered them years later =
and wondered what the hell they were. Being anxious to replicate what =
had been there after re-painting the block, they replaced the code. =
I=E2=80=99d be very surprised if TRA or VTR have extra marks in their =
judging books =E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they weren=E2=80=99t =
there.
=20
Cheers, Jonmac
=20
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.teamnet =
Sent: 17 January 2019 12:31
Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code
=20
Bill:
I have the TRA judging guide for the TR4 and have been using it as my =
plumb line for the restoration going back to 2010 when I purchased the =
car. The trick is what to tell the auto paint store for a color to =
match that would be acceptable to judges. My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat =
everyone in a concours but to faithfully recreate the car as it was =
born. I am not interested in trophies. Over the 8 years restoring this =
car, s I have sometimes found it hard to get info from the expert judges =
and respected restorers of these cars. I=E2=80=99d love to know more =
specifics on the color and or source that experts in TRA think correct. =
Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had an early TR4at the last TRA =
event. Does anyone have any detailed photos of that car they could =
share. The few I saw looked magnificent and they have such a great =
reputation. =20
Thanks so much,
Jim Henningsen
Sent from my iPad
Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my oversight.=20
Bill
=20
If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to =
weigh in, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is =
painted ice blue (specific color unknown) which takes a pale green caste =
with age.=E2=80=9D
=20
I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Valspar Peacock Blue.=20
=20
Cheers,
Bill
Sent from my Motorola 8000X
On Jan 16, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com =
The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter =
canister housings a few years ago.
https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bo=
wl/ =
<https://wwwtr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bo=
wl/>=20
=20
Note especially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle =
about his experience with lots of variations and the quite realistic =
comment that S-T were a lot more worried about keeping lines going and =
spares supplied than getting details "right" around shade.
=20
The thread has some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it =
subjects around our cars.
=20
Don
1962 TR3B TSF202L
=20
On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com =
Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil =
filter canister housing. TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas =
to a pale green. Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop. =
Thanks to any concours experts out there.=20
Jim Henningsen=20
Ocala FL
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Great picture Don, I have always re-painted the orange =
=E2=80=9CTR3=E2=80=9D after an engine rebuild, used Chevrolet engine =
orange.=C2=A0 Had never seen the china marker markings =
before.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Don Hiscock<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:47 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> John Macartney <John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk>; =
Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] =
Paint code<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Here's an image of the Coventry assembly line taken by =
a member of the tour group on Triumph USA's 1958 Rally of Europe for new =
owners who took their delivery at the factory and toured the =
Continent. One can see some of the various marshalling marks on =
the engines ready to be used on the line.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK=
2.jpg">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2=
.jpg</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM John Macartney <<a =
href=3D"mailto:John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk";>John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk=
</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thing is Jack, that this far down the track, no one =
knows! In fact, I doubt the majority of people at the factory did =
either:)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Cheers, John<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_1217474439255518928AppleMailSignature"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 17 Jan 2019, at =
17:50, Jack McGahey <<a href=3D"mailto:McGaheyRx@aol.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">McGaheyRx@aol.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I have those markings on my TR6 block - reapplied =
after engine rebuild during restoration.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, but I can say that neither VTR or 6-pack =
look for these markings, or deduct for their absence, during Concours =
judging - and I=E2=80=99ve never heard anybody say they knew what they =
meant or why they are there. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Jack Mc<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_1217474439255518928AppleMailSignature"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jan 17, 2019, at =
9:27 AM, John Macartney <<a =
href=3D"mailto:john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk"; =
target=3D"_blank">john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Jim<o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In the =
rebuild of your car, did you by chance find any obscure markings in =
yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were common =
identifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who worked =
in engine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily, the mark was to =
distinguish the machined but unassembled block as being an ultimate =
engine for a North America spec car. Not all the blocks had these marks =
but I do know many others have encountered them years later and wondered =
what the hell they were. Being anxious to replicate what had been there =
after re-painting the block, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very =
surprised if TRA or VTR have extra marks in their judging books =
=E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they weren=E2=80=99t =
there.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cheers, =
Jonmac<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.teamnet</a>> <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Jim Henningsen<br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2019 12:31<br><b>To:</b> =
<a href=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">wbeech@flash.net</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] Paint code<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Bill:<o:p></=
o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have the =
TRA judging guide for the TR4 and have been using it as my plumb line =
for the restoration going back to 2010 when I purchased the car. =
The trick is what to tell the auto paint store for a color to match that =
would be acceptable to judges. My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat =
everyone in a concours but to faithfully recreate the car as it was =
born. I am not interested in trophies. Over the 8 years =
restoring this car, s I have sometimes found it hard to get info from =
the expert judges and respected restorers of these cars. I=E2=80=99d =
love to know more specifics on the color and or source that experts in =
TRA think correct. Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had an =
early TR4at the last TRA event. Does anyone have any detailed =
photos of that car they could share. The few I saw looked =
magnificent and they have such a great reputation. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks so =
much,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Jim =
Henningsen<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_1217474439255518928AppleMailSignature"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sent from =
my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jan 16, =
2019, at 10:42 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flash.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">Wbeech@flash.net</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">wbeech@flash.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Judging =
guide Reference Should be TRA, my =
oversight. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Bill<o:p></o=
:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jan 16, 2019, =
at 8:29 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flash.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">Wbeech@flash.net</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">wbeech@flash.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If =
y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh =
in, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted =
ice blue (specific color unknown) which takes a pale green caste with =
age.=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I=E2=80=99ll=
stick with my Valspar Peacock Blue. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cheers,<o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Bill<o:p></o:p></p=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sent from =
my Motorola 8000X<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jan 16, =
2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock <<a =
href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">don.hiscock@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The TR =
Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter canister =
housings a few years ago.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"https://wwwtr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-fi=
lter-bowl/" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/4=
4252-oil-filter-bowl/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Note =
especially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about his =
experience with lots of variations and the quite realistic comment that =
S-T were a lot more worried about keeping lines going and spares =
supplied than getting details "right" around =
shade.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The thread =
has some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it subjects =
around our cars.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Don<o:p></o:=
p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>1962 TR3B =
TSF202L<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, Jan =
15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen <<a =
href=3D"mailto:trguy75@gmail.com"; =
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