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Here's an image of the Coventry assembly line taken by a member of the tour
group on Triumph USA's 1958 Rally of Europe for new owners who took their
delivery at the factory and toured the Continent. One can see some of the
various marshalling marks on the engines ready to be used on the line.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg
On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM John Macartney <John.Macartney@ukpips.org.u=
k>
wrote:
> Thing is Jack, that this far down the track, no one knows! In fact, I
> doubt the majority of people at the factory did either:)
>
> Cheers, John
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 17 Jan 2019, at 17:50, Jack McGahey <McGaheyRx@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I have those markings on my TR6 block - reapplied after engine rebuild
> during restoration.
>
> I can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, but I can say that neither VTR or 6-pack=
look for
> these markings, or deduct for their absence, during Concours judging - an=
d
> I=E2=80=99ve never heard anybody say they knew what they meant or why the=
y are
> there.
>
> Cheers,
> Jack Mc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, John Macartney <john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk=
>
> wrote:
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> In the rebuild of your car, did you by chance find any obscure markings i=
n
> yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were common
> identifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who worked =
in
> engine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily, the mark was to dis=
tinguish
> the machined but unassembled block as being an ultimate engine for a Nort=
h
> America spec car. Not all the blocks had these marks but I do know many
> others have encountered them years later and wondered what the hell they
> were. Being anxious to replicate what had been there after re-painting th=
e
> block, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very surprised if TRA or VT=
R have
> extra marks in their judging books =E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they=
weren=E2=80=99t
> there.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Jonmac
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Jim
> Henningsen
> *Sent:* 17 January 2019 12:31
> *To:* wbeech@flash.net
> *Cc:* Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Paint code
>
>
>
> Bill:
>
> I have the TRA judging guide for the TR4 and have been using it as my
> plumb line for the restoration going back to 2010 when I purchased the
> car. The trick is what to tell the auto paint store for a color to match
> that would be acceptable to judges. My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyo=
ne in a
> concours but to faithfully recreate the car as it was born. I am not
> interested in trophies. Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have
> sometimes found it hard to get info from the expert judges and respected
> restorers of these cars. I=E2=80=99d love to know more specifics on the c=
olor and
> or source that experts in TRA think correct. Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99=
s Garage
> had an early TR4at the last TRA event. Does anyone have any detailed
> photos of that car they could share. The few I saw looked magnificent an=
d
> they have such a great reputation.
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Jim Henningsen
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:42 PM, Wbeech@flash.net <wbeech@flash.net> wrote:
>
> Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my oversight.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM, Wbeech@flash.net <wbeech@flash.net> wrote:
>
> If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh=
in, the VTR Judging
> Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted ice blue (specific colo=
r unknown)
> which takes a pale green caste with age.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Valspar Peacock Blue.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>
> Sent from my Motorola 8000X
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter
> canister housings a few years ago.
>
>
> https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bo=
wl/
>
>
>
> Note especially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about
> his experience with lots of variations and the quite realistic comment th=
at
> S-T were a lot more worried about keeping lines going and spares supplied
> than getting details "right" around shade.
>
>
>
> The thread has some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it
> subjects around our cars.
>
>
>
> Don
>
> 1962 TR3B TSF202L
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter
> canister housing. TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pal=
e
> green. Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop. Thanks to an=
y
> concours experts out there.
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Here's an image of the Coventry assem=
bly line taken by a member of the tour group on Triumph USA's 1958 Rall=
y of Europe for new owners who took their delivery at the factory and toure=
d the Continent.=C2=A0 One can see some of the various marshalling marks on=
the engines ready to be used on the line.<div><a href=3D"https://photos.sm=
ugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg">https://photos.smugm=
ug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg</a><br></div></div></div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:=
38 PM John Macartney <<a href=3D"mailto:John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk";>Jo=
hn.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Thing is Jack, that this far do=
wn the track, no one knows! In fact, I doubt the majority of people at the =
factory did either:)<div><br></div><div>Cheers, John<br><br><div id=3D"gmai=
l-m_1217474439255518928AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 17 Jan 2019, at 17:50, Jack McGahey <<a href=
=3D"mailto:McGaheyRx@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">McGaheyRx@aol.com</a>> w=
rote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">I have those =
markings on my TR6 block - reapplied after engine rebuild during restoratio=
n.<div><br></div><div>I can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, but I can say that n=
either VTR or 6-pack look for these markings, or deduct for their absence, =
during Concours judging - and I=E2=80=99ve never heard anybody say they kne=
w what they meant or why they are there.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Che=
ers,</div><div>Jack Mc<br><br><div id=3D"gmail-m_1217474439255518928AppleMa=
ilSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan=
17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, John Macartney <<a href=3D"mailto:john.macartney@=
ukpips.org.uk" target=3D"_blank">john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk</a>> wrote=
:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gma=
il-m_1217474439255518928WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Jim<u></=
u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>In the rebuild of your car, did you by ch=
ance find any obscure markings in yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the e=
ngine block? These were common identifiers used at the factory that were un=
derstood by those who worked in engine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. =
Primarily, the mark was to distinguish the machined but unassembled block a=
s being an ultimate engine for a North America spec car. Not all the blocks=
had these marks but I do know many others have encountered them years late=
r and wondered what the hell they were. Being anxious to replicate what had=
been there after re-painting the block, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99=
d be very surprised if TRA or VTR have extra marks in their judging books =
=E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they weren=E2=80=99t there.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Cheers, Jonmac<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-=
right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225=
,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:tri=
umphs-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team=
.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Henningsen<br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January =
2019 12:31<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">wbeech@flash.net</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:trium=
phs@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Paint code<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill:<u></=
u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have the TRA judging guide for t=
he TR4 and have been using it as my plumb line for the restoration going ba=
ck to 2010 when I purchased the car.=C2=A0 The trick is what to tell the au=
to paint store for a color to match that would be acceptable to judges.=C2=
=A0 My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a concours but to faithfully =
recreate the car as it was born.=C2=A0 I am not interested in trophies.=C2=
=A0 Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have sometimes found it hard t=
o get info from the expert judges and respected restorers of these cars. I=
=E2=80=99d love to know more specifics on the color and or source that expe=
rts in TRA think correct.=C2=A0 Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had an =
early TR4at the last TRA event.=C2=A0 Does anyone have any detailed photos =
of that car they could share.=C2=A0 The few I saw looked magnificent and th=
ey have such a great reputation. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks so much,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Jim Henningsen<u></u><u></u></p><div i=
d=3D"gmail-m_1217474439255518928AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Sent from my iPad<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><br>On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:42 PM, <a href=3D"mailto=
:Wbeech@flash.net" target=3D"_blank">Wbeech@flash.net</a> <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:wbeech@flash.net" target=3D"_blank">wbeech@flash.net</a>> wrote:<u>=
</u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"=
><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my=
oversight.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill<u=
></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">On Jan 16, 20=
19, at 8:29 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flash.net"; target=3D"_blank">Wbeec=
h@flash.net</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net"; target=3D"_blank">w=
beech@flash.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to =
weigh in, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted=
ice blue (specific color unknown) which takes a pale green caste with age.=
=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Valspar Pe=
acock Blue.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Bill<u></u=
><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my Motorola 8000X<u></u><=
u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><b=
r>On Jan 16, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock <<a href=3D"mailto:don.hiscoc=
k@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">don.hiscock@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><=
u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The TR Register (UK) =
forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter canister housings a few yea=
rs ago.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www=
.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/" target=
=3D"_blank">https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil=
-filter-bowl/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Note especially the com=
ments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about his experience with lots=
of variations and the quite realistic comment that S-T were a lot more wor=
ried about keeping lines going and spares supplied than getting details &qu=
ot;right" around shade.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The thread h=
as some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it subjects a=
round our cars.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Don<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">1962 TR3B TSF202L<u></u><u></u></p></div></d=
iv></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:trguy75@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">trguy75@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-r=
ight:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter =
canister housing.=C2=A0 TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a =
pale green.=C2=A0 Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0Thanks to any concours experts out there. <br>Jim Henningsen <br>Ocal=
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