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I never noticed china marking on my block, John, but I did have marshalling
paint on my block that seems to show that my TR3B's engine (April 1962)
might have been confused with a concurrent TR4. The orange paint appears
to have been changed, possibly to TR3 from TR4. As it's a TSF-series 3B,
it never had a TR4 engine -- those were the TCF-series cars.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-s7fQdqL/0/8e6fdfa9/X3/i-s7fQdqL-X3.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8JLFjcP/0/053a1b23/X3/i-8JLFjcP-X3.jpg
BR,
Don
1962 TR3B TSF202L
On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 9:49 AM John Macartney <john.macartney@ukpips.org.u=
k>
wrote:
> Jim
>
>
>
> In the rebuild of your car, did you by chance find any obscure markings i=
n
> yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were common
> identifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who worked =
in
> engine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily, the mark was to dis=
tinguish
> the machined but unassembled block as being an ultimate engine for a Nort=
h
> America spec car. Not all the blocks had these marks but I do know many
> others have encountered them years later and wondered what the hell they
> were. Being anxious to replicate what had been there after re-painting th=
e
> block, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very surprised if TRA or VT=
R have
> extra marks in their judging books =E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they=
weren=E2=80=99t
> there.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Jonmac
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Jim
> Henningsen
> *Sent:* 17 January 2019 12:31
> *To:* wbeech@flash.net
> *Cc:* Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Paint code
>
>
>
> Bill:
>
> I have the TRA judging guide for the TR4 and have been using it as my
> plumb line for the restoration going back to 2010 when I purchased the
> car. The trick is what to tell the auto paint store for a color to match
> that would be acceptable to judges. My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyo=
ne in a
> concours but to faithfully recreate the car as it was born. I am not
> interested in trophies. Over the 8 years restoring this car, s I have
> sometimes found it hard to get info from the expert judges and respected
> restorers of these cars. I=E2=80=99d love to know more specifics on the c=
olor and
> or source that experts in TRA think correct. Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99=
s Garage
> had an early TR4at the last TRA event. Does anyone have any detailed
> photos of that car they could share. The few I saw looked magnificent an=
d
> they have such a great reputation.
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Jim Henningsen
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:42 PM, Wbeech@flash.net <wbeech@flash.net> wrote:
>
> Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my oversight.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM, Wbeech@flash.net <wbeech@flash.net> wrote:
>
> If y=E2=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh=
in, the VTR Judging
> Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted ice blue (specific colo=
r unknown)
> which takes a pale green caste with age.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Valspar Peacock Blue.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>
> Sent from my Motorola 8000X
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The TR Register (UK) forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter
> canister housings a few years ago.
>
>
> https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bo=
wl/
>
>
>
> Note especially the comments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about
> his experience with lots of variations and the quite realistic comment th=
at
> S-T were a lot more worried about keeping lines going and spares supplied
> than getting details "right" around shade.
>
>
>
> The thread has some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it
> subjects around our cars.
>
>
>
> Don
>
> 1962 TR3B TSF202L
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Anyone have a source for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter
> canister housing. TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pal=
e
> green. Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop. Thanks to an=
y
> concours experts out there.
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">I never noticed china ma=
rking on my block, John, but I did have marshalling paint on my block that =
seems to show that my TR3B's engine (April 1962) might have been confus=
ed with a concurrent TR4.=C2=A0 The orange paint appears to have been chang=
ed, possibly to TR3 from TR4.=C2=A0 As it's a TSF-series 3B, it never h=
ad a TR4 engine -- those were the TCF-series cars.<div><br></div><div><a hr=
ef=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-s7fQdqL/0/8e6fdfa9/X3/i-s7fQdqL-X=
3.jpg">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-s7fQdqL/0/8e6fdfa9/X3/i-s7fQdqL-=
X3.jpg</a><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8JL=
FjcP/0/053a1b23/X3/i-8JLFjcP-X3.jpg">https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8J=
LFjcP/0/053a1b23/X3/i-8JLFjcP-X3.jpg</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>BR,</=
div><div><br></div><div>Don</div><div>1962 TR3B TSF202L</div></div></div></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at=
9:49 AM John Macartney <<a href=3D"mailto:john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk"=
>john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-GB"><div class=3D"gmail-m_1384=
603037421492673WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Jim<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span>In the rebuild of your car, did you by chance find=
any obscure markings in yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine blo=
ck? These were common identifiers used at the factory that were understood =
by those who worked in engine assembly =E2=80=93 but no-one else. Primarily=
, the mark was to distinguish the machined but unassembled block as being a=
n ultimate engine for a North America spec car. Not all the blocks had thes=
e marks but I do know many others have encountered them years later and won=
dered what the hell they were. Being anxious to replicate what had been the=
re after re-painting the block, they replaced the code. I=E2=80=99d be very=
surprised if TRA or VTR have extra marks in their judging books =E2=80=93 =
or even deduct marks if they weren=E2=80=99t there.<u></u><u></u></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span>Cheers, Jonmac<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-right:none=
;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);=
padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</=
span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-boun=
ces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&g=
t; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Henningsen<br><b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2019 12:31=
<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net"; target=3D"_blank">wbeech=
@flash.net</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.=
team.net" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:<=
/b> Re: [TR] Paint code<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill:<u></u><u></u><=
/p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have the TRA judging guide for the TR4 and=
have been using it as my plumb line for the restoration going back to 2010=
when I purchased the car.=C2=A0 The trick is what to tell the auto paint s=
tore for a color to match that would be acceptable to judges.=C2=A0 My goal=
isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a concours but to faithfully recreate th=
e car as it was born.=C2=A0 I am not interested in trophies.=C2=A0 Over the=
8 years restoring this car, s I have sometimes found it hard to get info f=
rom the expert judges and respected restorers of these cars. I=E2=80=99d lo=
ve to know more specifics on the color and or source that experts in TRA th=
ink correct.=C2=A0 Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had an early TR4at t=
he last TRA event.=C2=A0 Does anyone have any detailed photos of that car t=
hey could share.=C2=A0 The few I saw looked magnificent and they have such =
a great reputation. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">Thanks so much,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Jim Henningsen<u></u><u></u></p><div id=3D"gmail-m_=
1384603037421492673AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my =
iPad<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bot=
tom:12pt"><br>On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:42 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flash.=
net" target=3D"_blank">Wbeech@flash.net</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:wbeech@fl=
ash.net" target=3D"_blank">wbeech@flash.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p=
></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my oversight.=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill<u></u><u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">On Jan 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM=
, <a href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flash.net"; target=3D"_blank">Wbeech@flash.net</a=
> <<a href=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net"; target=3D"_blank">wbeech@flash.ne=
t</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">If y=E2=
=80=99all will allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh in, the =
VTR Judging Guidlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted ice blue (spe=
cific color unknown) which takes a pale green caste with age.=E2=80=9D<u></=
u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ll stick with my Valspar Peacock Blue.=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Bill<u></u><u></u></p><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my Motorola 8000X<u></u><u></u></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><br>On Jan 16, 2=
019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock <<a href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">don.hiscock@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></di=
v><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The TR Register (UK) forum had a th=
read on the subject of oil filter canister housings a few years ago.<u></u>=
<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.tr-register.c=
o.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/</a=
><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Note especially the comments by our lat=
e, great friend Alec Pringle about his experience with lots of variations a=
nd the quite realistic comment that S-T were a lot more worried about keepi=
ng lines going and spares supplied than getting details "right" a=
round shade.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The thread has some useful =
info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it subjects around our cars.=
<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Don<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">1962 TR3B TSF202L<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On=
Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen <<a href=3D"mailto:trguy=
75@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">trguy75@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u><=
/u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-=
bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;=
margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Anyone have a so=
urce for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter canister housing.=
=C2=A0 TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pale green.=C2=A0=
Looking for a color code I can give my paint shop.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks to a=
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