And then there are us in Connecticut where not only do we have a 25 cent per
gallon tax on gasoline (54 cents on diesel) but there is also the 8% gross
receipts tax that wholesalers have to pay to the state. Naturally, that gets
passed on to the consumer. So when gasoline is at 3.00 per gallon, there will
be an additional 24 cents built into the price at the distribution level. The
joke is on the consumer because that additional money was originally
designated for road repair, underground tank replacement assistance to filling
stations and the like. Too bad the transportation fund gets raided every year
by the governor's office and the state legislature.
Alex Thomson
-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ann
Carletta
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 2:23 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Gas Tax
A good chunk of the cost per gallon comes from taxes that don't change,
regardless of fuel cost. Pennsylvania has the highest rate of 51.60 cents per
gallon (cpg), and is followed closely by New York (45.99 cpg), Hawaii (45.10
cpg), and California (42.35 cpg). On the other end of the spectrum, Alaska has
the lowest rate at 12.25 cpg, but New Jersey (14.50 cpg) and South Carolina
(16.75 cpg) arenâ??t far behind. These rates do not include the additional
18.40 cent federal excise tax., So Pennsylvanians pay a 70 cents tax on every
gallon and NYers 64.39 while good ole NJ, which is in between the two states
adds 32.9 cents to every gallon (and we're full-serve, no self-serve here!).
Realize your tax on gas can be as high as 25%! If you have a 20 gallon tank,
you're paying $14.00 in tax every time you fill up in PA! Once a week brings
you to $728 in taxes a year.
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3. Re: value for insurance proposes?
(David Ljung Madison)
4. Ruminations (Home Consolidated)
5. Re: Ruminations (Joe Curry)
6. Re: Ruminations (Bob Labuz)
7. Re: Ruminations (David Friedlander)
8. Re: Ruminations (John Macartney)
9. Re: Ruminations (Dave)
10. Re: Ruminations (Dave)
11. Re: Ruminations (Dave)
12. Re: Ruminations (Randall)
13. Re: Ruminations (Jeff Scarbrough)
14. Re: Ruminations (Bob Labuz)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:04:35 -0800
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag@gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Replacing Universal joints on a drive shaft
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I?ve been fortunate enough to source myself a pair of half shafts from a
Triumph 2000. These apparently fit a Triumph Stag which I have. The shafts
come with replicable universal joints, unlike the staked type currently on my
Stag.
I can get two types of joint GUJ102 without zirk / grease nipple or GUJ107
with zirk / grease nipple. 2 are required per side. The problem with
GUJ107 is once fitted to the car there is no way to get to the zirk closet
to the hub as it is enclosed by the radius arm. I?m aware TR6s have a
similar setup.
So should I get 4 no-zirked type and fit once and forget, or buy the zirked
type and periodically, which means never in my case, re- grease by removing
the shaft?
Do the zirked type really need pumping with grease once in a while?
Also, doing a cross reference to other part numbers of the zirked type ,
prices vary from $11 to $25 Any recommendations on brand I found the ones
below.
I also found a cross reference to GMB
GUJ107 cross references these following parts
Factory Number
ACDelco
45U0168
BECK/ARNLEY 102-0031
BECK/ARNLEY 102-0106
REO 55P1
CARRARO 107625
JENSEN 94425
Regards, Sujit
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 17:20:09 -0500
From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson@charter.net>
To: "'Sujit Roy'" <triumphstag@gmail.com>, "'Triumphs'"
<triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Replacing Universal joints on a drive shaft
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For what it is worth, the original, ?sealed?, non-greaseable u-joint crosses
on my ?81 Toyota diesel pickup were as smooth as new when I junked the truck
after 140,000 miles and 10 years of use.
Alex Thomson
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 5:05 PM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] Replacing Universal joints on a drive shaft
I?ve been fortunate enough to source myself a pair of half shafts from a
Triumph 2000. These apparently fit a Triumph Stag which I have. The shafts
come with replicable universal joints, unlike the staked type currently on my
Stag.
I can get two types of joint GUJ102 without zirk / grease nipple or GUJ107
with zirk / grease nipple. 2 are required per side. The problem with GUJ107
is once fitted to the car there is no way to get to the zirk closet to the hub
as it is enclosed by the radius arm. I?m aware TR6s have a similar setup.
So should I get 4 no-zirked type and fit once and forget, or buy the zirked
type and periodically, which means never in my case, re- grease by removing
the shaft?
Do the zirked type really need pumping with grease once in a while?
Also, doing a cross reference to other part numbers of the zirked type ,
prices vary from $11 to $25 Any recommendations on brand I found the ones
below.
I also found a cross reference to GMB
GUJ107 cross references these following parts
Factory Number
ACDelco
45U0168
BECK/ARNLEY 102-0031
BECK/ARNLEY 102-0106
REO 55P1
CARRARO 107625
JENSEN 94425
Regards, Sujit
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:22:29 -0800
From: David Ljung Madison <team.net@daveola.com>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] value for insurance proposes?
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JonMac says:
> In my case, my first valuation was based on:
> 1. What I paid for the car - (which was nothing because it was a wreck)
> PLUS > 2. The value of parts I had bought for it supported by receipts or
> a referenced Excel spreadsheet that could be checked > 3. The known or
> likely number of hours work I had done on the car in my ownership up to a
> maximum of 500 hours.
This was multiplied by a very nominal hourly unskilled labour rate, PLUs >
4. The value of any work done to the car by a professional - i.e. a repaint.
This estimate is going to be a bit on the high-side, which may be desirable,
but might be difficult to convince an insurance company of ipso-facto. For
example, if you have a $30k car with fairly good paint on it, and you get it
repainted for $10k, you probably *do not* have a $40k car. And plenty of
work done on the car is to just fight entropy and replace things that are
breaking, that doesn't really add to the cars value, just maintains it.
Let's just hope that the number of us who need to face these issues is kept
to a minimum. :)
Dave
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:59:21 -0600
From: Home Consolidated <triumphs@consolidated.net>
To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Ruminations
Message-ID: <CC309723-ED32-4A52-B96D-4F2F0C23C163@consolidated.net>
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I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline recently which got me to thinking. Has gas
ever been this low?
An inflation calculator.
http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
tells me that a buck sixty today is the same as $0.21 in 1962, $0.27 in 1970,
$0.57 in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I never remember gas prices
that low. I remember
$0.14 for a week or so during a local gas war in the early sixties and $0.35
was about right in the early 70's, before the first Arab embargo, but
otherwise it seems like prices were always a lot higher. In 2005 I remember
paying north of $4.00 per on the west coast or $4.88 today. I was watching an
old tv show (1977) and the station sign said
$0.609 or $2.13 today.
We must be doing something right.
Ken Gano
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 23:18:19 -0700
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist@cox.net>
To: "'Home Consolidated'" <triumphs@consolidated.net>, "'Listserv
Triumph'" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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I can remember when I was in High School when the local stations regularly
staged "Gas Wars" and one time it got as low as 5 cents a gallon. That would
be equivalent to %0 cents per gallon today.
Joe
_____
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Home
Consolidated
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 9:59 PM
To: Listserv Triumph
Subject: [TR] Ruminations
I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline recently which got me to thinking. Has gas
ever been this low?
An inflation calculator.
http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
tells me
that a buck sixty today is the same as $0.21 in 1962, $0.27 in 1970, $0.57
in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I never remember gas prices that
low. I remember $0.14 for a week or so during a local gas war in the early
sixties and $0.35 was about right in the early 70's, before the first Arab
embargo, but otherwise it seems like prices were always a lot higher. In
2005 I remember paying north of $4.00 per on the west coast or $4.88 today.
I was watching an old tv show (1977) and the station sign said $0.609 or
$2.13 today.
We must be doing something right.
Ken Gano
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:51:12 -0500
From: Bob Labuz <yellowtr@adelphia.net>
To: Joe Curry <spitlist@cox.net>,
'Listserv Triumph'
<triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
Message-ID: <567028E0.5050800@adelphia.net>
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Joe,
Another way to look at any price today is this way.
Back when our currency was silver based and a quarter was about 1/5th of an
oz AG, gas was anywhere from 18 to 25c / gallon. Well if you were smart and
saved all your dimes, quarters, half dollars and silver dollars you could go
down to your precious metal dealer and sell them 5 quarters (1.25) for about
13 to 14 dollars today. So a quarter could get you about 3$ good for about
1.5 gallons up here in upstate NY. So if you look at it that way, gas is
cheaper today than it was in the 60's.
Just goes to show you how much our $ has fallen in 50 years.
Now, I was just in northern CA and drove on US 395 CA, and US 95 Nevada and
I saw prices in the 4.50 to almost 5$ range. This was in October.
Well over double what I saw on I 40 when I got into NM and TX.
Bob
On 12/15/2015 01:18 AM, Joe Curry wrote:
>
> I can remember when I was in High School when the local stations >
> regularly staged ?Gas Wars? and one time it got as low as 5 cents a >
> gallon. That would be equivalent to %0 cents per gallon today.
>
> Joe
>
>
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>
> *From:*Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net]
*On Behalf Of
> *Home Consolidated
> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 9:59 PM > *To:* Listserv Triumph >
> *Subject:* [TR] Ruminations > > I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline recently
> which got me to thinking.
> Has gas ever been this low?
>
> An inflation calculator.
> http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
tells me
> that a buck sixty today is the same as $0.21 in 1962,
$0.27 in 1970,
> $0.57 in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I never remember gas >
> prices that low. I remember $0.14 for a week or so during a local gas >
> war in the early sixties and $0.35 was about right in the early 70's, >
> before the first Arab embargo, but otherwise it seems like prices were >
> always a lot higher. In 2005 I remember paying north of $4.00 per on >
> the west coast or $4.88 today. I was watching an old tv show (1977) > and
> the station sign said $0.609 or $2.13 today.
>
> We must be doing something right.
>
> Ken Gano
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:20:21 -0500
From: David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
To: Home Consolidated <triumphs@consolidated.net>
Cc: Listserv Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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Ken;
I 'love' that. In the '73 Arab Oil embargo, we were told of an 'oil
shortage' which forced the price of gas to double and even triple in a matter
of weeks. Overnight, the Arab sheikdoms became billionaires. Here we are,
forty years later and, somehow, we have an oil GLUT!
Now how can that
be??
I'd like to asee a history graph showing the price of a barrel of West Texas
crude vs. the price of a gallon of oil at any given time? Last time oil was
$38.50/barrel, as it is now, how much was a gallon of gas? Makes me think
that even if a barrel of oil was FREE, we'd still pay at least $1.50 gallon,
what with all the taxes, fees and whatnot (not to mention dealing with the
ethanol we didn't ask for).
Dave
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Home Consolidated <
triumphs@consolidated.net>
wrote:
> I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline recently which got me to thinking. Has >
> gas ever been this low?
>
> An inflation calculator.
> http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
tells
> me that a buck sixty today is the same as $0.21 in 1962, $0.27 in 1970, >
> $0.57 in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I never remember gas >
> prices that low. I remember $0.14 for a week or so during a local gas war
> > in the early sixties and $0.35 was about right in the early 70's, before
> > the first Arab embargo, but otherwise it seems like prices were always a
> > lot higher. In 2005 I remember paying north of
$4.00 per on the west coast
> or $4.88 today. I was watching an old tv show (1977) and the station sign
> > said $0.609 or $2.13 today.
>
> We must be doing something right.
>
> Ken Gano
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:52:54 -0000
From: "John Macartney" <john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk>
To: "'Triumph List'" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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On the UK lunchtime news today, we were told that inflation is now half of
one percent over the last year - and everyone is rejoicing at the price of oil
at $38 a barrel. Even more rejoicing that gas is now cheaper than it was per
litre in 2005. Still means a gallon here is rocking out at $6.80 :) Blessings
come with strange complexions...
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:00:00 -0500
From: Dave <dave1massey@cs.com>
To: triumphs@consolidated.net,
triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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Sure, but I think the $1.60 is an outlier. Looking at the GasBuddy site the
average price over the last 10 years has been more like $2.80. That would be
equivalent to
$0.36 in 1962, $0.46 in 1970, $0.97 in 1980, $1.54 in 1990 and $2.03 in 2000.
Projections are for crude to stay low for a while but that may turn out to be
a year or two. Many producers can't make money at the current rate for crude.
Dave Massey
-----Original Message-----
From: Home Consolidated <triumphs@consolidated.net>
To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2015 10:59 pm
Subject: [TR] Ruminations
I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline recently which got me to thinking. Has gas
ever been this low?
An inflation calculator.
http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
tells me that a buck sixty today is the same as $0.21 in 1962, $0.27 in 1970,
$0.57 in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I never remember gas prices
that low. I remember
$0.14 for a week or so during a local gas war in the early sixties and $0.35
was about right in the early 70's, before the first Arab embargo, but
otherwise it seems like prices were always a lot higher. In 2005 I remember
paying north of $4.00 per on the west coast or $4.88 today. I was watching an
old tv show (1977) and the station sign said
$0.609 or $2.13 today.
We must be doing something right.
Ken Gano
Sent from my iPad
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:02:35 -0500
From: Dave <dave1massey@cs.com>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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Yeah, and another way to look at it is back when Microsoft stock was $21 and
hadn't split yet...
No, a more accurate way to look at it is how many hours do you have to work
at McDonald's to fill your tank?
Dave Massey
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Labuz <yellowtr@adelphia.net>
To: Joe Curry <spitlist@cox.net>;
'Listserv Triumph' <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2015 9:00 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
Joe,
Another way to look at any price today is this way.
Back when our currency was silver based and a quarter was about
1/5th of an oz AG, gas was anywhere from 18 to 25c / gallon. Well
if you were smart and saved all your dimes, quarters, half dollars
and silver dollars you could go down to your precious metal dealer and
sell them 5 quarters (1.25) for about 13 to 14 dollars today. So a
quarter could get you about 3$ good for about 1.5 gallons up here in
upstate NY. So if you look at it that way, gas is cheaper today than it was
in the 60's.
Just goes to show you how much our $ has fallen in 50 years.
Now, I was just in northern CA and drove on US 395 CA, and US 95
Nevada and I saw prices in the 4.50 to almost 5$ range. This was
in October. Well over double what I saw on I
40 when I got into NM and TX.
Bob
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:08:19 -0500
From: Dave <dave1massey@cs.com>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
Message-ID: <151a69d3161-5fcc-1539f@webprd-m47.mail.aol.com>
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Even if crude was free there are still expenses relating to transportation,
refining, distribution, retailing, etc. Those are costs that are not
proportional to the price of crude. Just because the price of crude has
dropped in half (or doubles) don't expect pump prices to change that
dramatically.
Dave Massey
-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
To: Home Consolidated <triumphs@consolidated.net>
Cc: Listserv Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2015 9:56 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
Ken;
I 'love' that. In the '73 Arab Oil embargo, we were told of an 'oil shortage'
which forced the price of gas to double and even triple in a matter of weeks.
Overnight, the Arab sheikdoms became billionaires. Here we are, forty years
later and, somehow, we have an oil GLUT! Now how can that be??
I'd like to asee a history graph showing the price of a barrel of West Texas
crude vs. the price of a gallon of oil at any given time? Last time oil was
$38.50/barrel, as it is now, how much was a gallon of gas? Makes me think that
even if a barrel of oil was FREE, we'd still pay at least $1.50 gallon, what
with all the taxes, fees and whatnot (not to mention dealing with the ethanol
we didn't ask for).
Dave
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:33:22 -0800
From: "Randall" <TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
To: "'David Friedlander'" <forzion7@gmail.com>, "'Home Consolidated'"
<triumphs@consolidated.net>
Cc: 'Listserv Triumph' <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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> I 'love' that. In the '73 Arab Oil embargo, we were told of > an 'oil
> shortage' which forced the price of gas to double and > even triple in a
> matter of weeks. Overnight, the Arab > sheikdoms became billionaires. Here
> we are, forty years later > and, somehow, we have an oil GLUT! Now how can
> that be??
Until the 73 oil embargo, there were government controls on the wholesale
price of gasoline. Evidence suggests (to
me) that the 73
shortage was engineered by the oil companies, in order to break the price
controls. Supposedly there were tanker trucks lined up for miles outside the
tank farms, because the tank farms were full! As I recall, some industry exec
even got quoted as saying we could have all the gasoline we wanted, for
$2/gallon.
The glut has many causes, but I'd say chief among them is that the oil
companies have learned a LOT more since then on how to squeeze more oil out
of the ground (steam injection, oil shale, fracking, etc) plus how to squeeze
more gasoline from a barrel of crude. High prices no doubt played a part in
their investments in those technologies.
There's also the problem that it takes many years between going out to hunt
for more oil; and actually producing fuel from that oil.
It's a big, complicated, expensive (and dangerous) business, especially for
off-shore oil. When prices go up, exploration goes way up. Then when all
those new wells start producing, there is an over-supply and prices drop.
Eventually the wells get shut down because they are too expensive to run
(when compared to the glut prices) and the cycle repeats.
Back in the early 80's, I worked for a company that supplied custom computer
navigation systems to the oil industry, among others.
When oil prices were up, we always got a bunch of orders, for systems that
would be multiple millions of dollars in today's money.
Peanuts really, when compared to the costs of running an oil exploration
ship. (I was once told that operating costs for the RV Shell America were
around $10,000 PER HOUR.) When oil prices collapsed in 1986, my company
withdrew from that market (closed the division), as there were simply no more
orders coming in at all. (Fortunately, they had lots of other work, so I
just changed
projects.)
Don't get too complacent. The oil boom/bust cycle is not dead and prices
WILL go back up. I have no doubt we'll be paying close to $5/gallon again.
It's only a question of when
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/100615/will-oil-prices-go-2017.asp
Randall
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:44:10 -0500
From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
Cc: Listserv Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
wrote:
> The glut has many causes, but I'd say chief among them is that the oil
> companies have learned a LOT more since then on how to > squeeze more oil
> out of the ground (steam injection, oil shale, fracking, etc) plus how to
> squeeze more gasoline from a barrel of > crude.
Not to mention overall average gasoline consumption per mile. I'm not sure
how that number has changed over the years...doubled?
tripled?
Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:58:51 -0500
From: Bob Labuz <yellowtr@adelphia.net>
To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>, Triumphs List
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Jeff,
Not so sure I agree.
I have made over 30MPG on my 2.2 liter TR3 in the past. 87MM upgrade but
with the stock 4sp transmission.
WIth OD, I am sure many have done better.
I average about 25MPG on all my Triumphs, a 3, 4 and 6 just driving to car
hops etc. No real long range highway mileage. My wife's 4cyl Camry just
averaged about 35MPG on our trip out West. That is real good, but hardly
twice my 4CYLs Triumphs. And it is fuel infected etc with many computers
running the show and a 6 speed transmission. The only computer available when
I drive a Triumph is in my pocket!
The Camry is heavier I am sure and that engine will last for many more miles
but mileage has not improved as much as one would expect. I suspect some of
the problem is alcohol and less bang for the buck in the power in todays
fuels.
Bob
On 12/15/2015 01:44 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
wrote:
>> The glut has many causes, but I'd say chief among them is that the oil
>> companies have learned a LOT more since then on how to >> squeeze more
>> oil out of the ground (steam injection, oil shale, fracking, etc) plus how
>> to squeeze more gasoline from a barrel of >> crude.
> Not to mention overall average gasoline consumption per mile. I'm not >
> sure how that number has changed over the years...doubled? tripled?
>
>
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
>
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