Carly and Rand both are big on shrinking government... it's time..
On 12/15/2015 2:26 PM, Alex&Janet Thomson wrote:
> And then there are us in Connecticut where not only do we have a 25 cent per
> gallon tax on gasoline (54 cents on diesel) but there is also the 8% gross
> receipts tax that wholesalers have to pay to the state. Naturally, that gets
> passed on to the consumer. So when gasoline is at 3.00 per gallon, there will
> be an additional 24 cents built into the price at the distribution level. The
> joke is on the consumer because that additional money was originally
> designated for road repair, underground tank replacement assistance to
> filling stations and the like. Too bad the transportation fund gets raided
> every year by the governor's office and the state legislature.
>
> Alex Thomson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ann
> Carletta
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 2:23 PM
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Gas Tax
>
> A good chunk of the cost per gallon comes from taxes that don't change,
> regardless of fuel cost. Pennsylvania has the highest rate of 51.60 cents
> per gallon (cpg), and is followed closely by New York (45.99 cpg), Hawaii
> (45.10 cpg), and California (42.35 cpg). On the other end of the spectrum,
> Alaska has the lowest rate at 12.25 cpg, but New Jersey (14.50 cpg) and South
> Carolina (16.75 cpg) arenâ??t far behind. These rates do not include the
> additional 18.40 cent federal excise tax., So Pennsylvanians pay a 70 cents
> tax on every gallon and NYers 64.39 while good ole NJ, which is in between
> the two states adds 32.9 cents to every gallon (and we're full-serve, no
> self-serve here!). Realize your tax on gas can be as high as 25%! If you
> have a 20 gallon tank, you're paying $14.00 in tax every time you fill up in
> PA! Once a week brings you to $728 in taxes a year.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 12/15/15, triumphs-request@autox.team.net
> <triumphs-request@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Subject: Triumphs Digest, Vol 8, Issue 314
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2015, 2:00 PM
>
> Send Triumphs mailing list
> submissions to
> triumphs@autox.team.net
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help'
> to
> triumphs-request@autox.team.net
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> triumphs-owner@autox.team.net
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than
> "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Replacing Universal joints on a drive shaft (Sujit Roy)
> 2. Re: Replacing Universal joints on a drive shaft
> (Alex&Janet Thomson)
> 3. Re: value for insurance proposes?
> (David Ljung Madison)
> 4. Ruminations (Home Consolidated)
> 5. Re: Ruminations (Joe Curry)
> 6. Re: Ruminations (Bob Labuz)
> 7. Re: Ruminations (David Friedlander)
> 8. Re: Ruminations (John Macartney)
> 9. Re: Ruminations (Dave)
> 10. Re: Ruminations (Dave)
> 11. Re: Ruminations (Dave)
> 12. Re: Ruminations (Randall)
> 13. Re: Ruminations (Jeff Scarbrough)
> 14. Re: Ruminations (Bob Labuz)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:04:35 -0800
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag@gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Replacing Universal joints on a drive shaft
> Message-ID:
> <CANLCLaHO1aRpUq2AZ03-K9-X=0nLUZSzfvHFbeg1Fg4wNYVYVg@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I?ve been fortunate enough to source myself a pair of half shafts from a
> Triumph 2000. These apparently fit a Triumph Stag which I have. The shafts
> come with replicable universal joints, unlike the staked type currently on
> my Stag.
>
> I can get two types of joint GUJ102 without zirk / grease nipple or GUJ107
> with zirk / grease nipple. 2 are required per side. The problem with
> GUJ107 is once fitted to the car there is no way to get to the zirk closet
> to the hub as it is enclosed by the radius arm. I?m aware TR6s have a
> similar setup.
>
> So should I get 4 no-zirked type and fit once and forget, or buy the
> zirked type and periodically, which means never in my case, re- grease by
> removing the shaft?
>
> Do the zirked type really need pumping with grease once in a while?
>
> Also, doing a cross reference to other part numbers of the zirked type ,
> prices vary from $11 to $25 Any recommendations on brand I found the ones
> below.
>
> I also found a cross reference to GMB
>
>
>
> GUJ107 cross references these following parts
>
> Factory Number
>
> ACDelco
> 45U0168
>
> BECK/ARNLEY 102-0031
>
> BECK/ARNLEY 102-0106
>
> REO 55P1
>
>
>
> CARRARO 107625
>
> JENSEN 94425
>
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20151214/51387bee/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 17:20:09 -0500
> From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson@charter.net>
> To: "'Sujit Roy'" <triumphstag@gmail.com>, "'Triumphs'"
> <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Replacing Universal joints on a drive shaft
> Message-ID:
> <00a801d136bd$97c935c0$c75ba140$@charter.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> For what it is worth, the original, ?sealed?, non-greaseable u-joint
> crosses on my ?81 Toyota diesel pickup were as smooth as new when I junked
> the truck after 140,000 miles and 10 years of use.
>
>
>
> Alex Thomson
>
>
>
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 5:05 PM
> To: Triumphs
> Subject: [TR] Replacing Universal joints on a drive shaft
>
>
>
> I?ve been fortunate enough to source myself a pair of half shafts from a
> Triumph 2000. These apparently fit a Triumph Stag which I have. The shafts
> come with replicable universal joints, unlike the staked type currently on
> my Stag.
>
> I can get two types of joint GUJ102 without zirk / grease nipple or GUJ107
> with zirk / grease nipple. 2 are required per side. The problem with GUJ107
> is once fitted to the car there is no way to get to the zirk closet to the
> hub as it is enclosed by the radius arm. I?m aware TR6s have a similar
> setup.
>
> So should I get 4 no-zirked type and fit once and forget, or buy the
> zirked type and periodically, which means never in my case, re- grease by
> removing the shaft?
>
> Do the zirked type really need pumping with grease once in a while?
>
> Also, doing a cross reference to other part numbers of the zirked type ,
> prices vary from $11 to $25 Any recommendations on brand I found the ones
> below.
>
> I also found a cross reference to GMB
>
>
>
> GUJ107 cross references these following parts
>
> Factory Number
>
> ACDelco
> 45U0168
>
> BECK/ARNLEY 102-0031
>
> BECK/ARNLEY 102-0106
>
> REO 55P1
>
>
>
> CARRARO 107625
>
> JENSEN 94425
>
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20151214/7bbf3bc1/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:22:29 -0800
> From: David Ljung Madison <team.net@daveola.com>
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] value for insurance proposes?
> Message-ID: <20151214222229.GL3222@getdave.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> JonMac says:
> > In my case, my first valuation was based on:
> > 1. What I paid for the car - (which was nothing because it was a wreck)
> PLUS > 2. The value of parts I had bought for it supported by receipts or a
> referenced Excel spreadsheet that could be checked > 3. The known or likely
> number of hours work I had done on the car in my ownership up to a maximum
> of 500 hours.
> This was multiplied by a very nominal hourly unskilled labour rate, PLUs
> > 4. The value of any work done to the car by a professional - i.e. a
> repaint.
>
> This estimate is going to be a bit on the high-side, which may be
> desirable, but might be difficult to convince an insurance company of
> ipso-facto. For example, if you have a $30k car with fairly good paint on
> it, and you get it repainted for $10k, you probably *do not* have a $40k
> car. And plenty of work done on the car is to just fight entropy and
> replace things that are breaking, that doesn't really add to the cars
> value, just maintains it.
>
> Let's just hope that the number of us who need to face these issues is
> kept to a minimum. :)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:59:21 -0600
> From: Home Consolidated <triumphs@consolidated.net>
> To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Ruminations
> Message-ID: <CC309723-ED32-4A52-B96D-4F2F0C23C163@consolidated.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline recently which got me to thinking. Has
> gas ever been this low?
>
> An inflation calculator.
> http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
> tells me that a buck sixty today is the same as $0.21 in 1962, $0.27 in
> 1970, $0.57 in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I never remember gas
> prices that low. I remember
> $0.14 for a week or so during a local gas war in the early sixties and
> $0.35 was about right in the early 70's, before the first Arab embargo, but
> otherwise it seems like prices were always a lot higher. In 2005 I remember
> paying north of $4.00 per on the west coast or $4.88 today. I was watching
> an old tv show (1977) and the station sign said
> $0.609 or $2.13 today.
>
> We must be doing something right.
>
> Ken Gano
>
> Sent from my iPad
> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20151214/e249fb9d/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 23:18:19 -0700
> From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist@cox.net>
> To: "'Home Consolidated'" <triumphs@consolidated.net>, "'Listserv
> Triumph'" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
> Message-ID: <826796D1AEF648A5B76E4AD84075B59E@Bedroom>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I can remember when I was in High School when the local stations regularly
> staged "Gas Wars" and one time it got as low as 5 cents a gallon. That
> would be equivalent to %0 cents per gallon today.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Home
> Consolidated
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 9:59 PM
> To: Listserv Triumph
> Subject: [TR] Ruminations
>
>
>
> I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline recently which got me to thinking. Has
> gas ever been this low?
>
>
>
> An inflation calculator.
> http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
> tells me
> that a buck sixty today is the same as $0.21 in 1962, $0.27 in 1970, $0.57
> in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I never remember gas prices that
> low. I remember $0.14 for a week or so during a local gas war in the early
> sixties and $0.35 was about right in the early 70's, before the first Arab
> embargo, but otherwise it seems like prices were always a lot higher. In
> 2005 I remember paying north of $4.00 per on the west coast or $4.88 today.
> I was watching an old tv show (1977) and the station sign said $0.609 or
> $2.13 today.
>
>
>
> We must be doing something right.
>
>
>
> Ken Gano
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20151214/438eda69/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:51:12 -0500
> From: Bob Labuz <yellowtr@adelphia.net>
> To: Joe Curry <spitlist@cox.net>,
> 'Listserv Triumph'
> <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
> Message-ID: <567028E0.5050800@adelphia.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
>
> Joe,
>
> Another way to look at any price today is this way.
>
> Back when our currency was silver based and a quarter was about 1/5th of
> an oz AG, gas was anywhere from 18 to 25c / gallon. Well if you were smart
> and saved all your dimes, quarters, half dollars and silver dollars you
> could go down to your precious metal dealer and sell them 5 quarters (1.25)
> for about 13 to 14 dollars today. So a quarter could get you about 3$ good
> for about 1.5 gallons up here in upstate NY. So if you look at it that
> way, gas is cheaper today than it was in the 60's.
>
> Just goes to show you how much our $ has fallen in 50 years.
>
> Now, I was just in northern CA and drove on US 395 CA, and US 95 Nevada
> and I saw prices in the 4.50 to almost 5$ range. This was in October.
> Well over double what I saw on I 40 when I got into NM and TX.
>
> Bob
>
> On 12/15/2015 01:18 AM, Joe Curry wrote:
> >
> > I can remember when I was in High School when the local stations >
> regularly staged ?Gas Wars? and one time it got as low as 5 cents a >
> gallon. That would be equivalent to %0 cents per gallon today.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > *From:*Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net]
> *On Behalf Of
> > *Home Consolidated
> > *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 9:59 PM > *To:* Listserv Triumph >
> *Subject:* [TR] Ruminations > > I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline recently
> which got me to thinking.
> > Has gas ever been this low?
> >
> > An inflation calculator.
> > http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
> tells me
> > that a buck sixty today is the same as $0.21 in 1962,
> $0.27 in 1970,
> > $0.57 in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I never remember gas >
> prices that low. I remember $0.14 for a week or so during a local gas > war
> in the early sixties and $0.35 was about right in the early 70's, > before
> the first Arab embargo, but otherwise it seems like prices were > always a
> lot higher. In 2005 I remember paying north of $4.00 per on > the west
> coast or $4.88 today. I was watching an old tv show (1977) > and the
> station sign said $0.609 or $2.13 today.
> >
> > We must be doing something right.
> >
> > Ken Gano
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> > ** triumphs@autox.team.net
> **
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive:
> http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr@adelphia.net
>
> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20151215/b9300b3a/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:20:21 -0500
> From: David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
> To: Home Consolidated <triumphs@consolidated.net>
> Cc: Listserv Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
> Message-ID:
> <CAJ1eQwi0gsMix48HY+S52h0phX6mOLkeD+onrnJfb_j3ArX7-g@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Ken;
>
> I 'love' that. In the '73 Arab Oil embargo, we were told of an 'oil
> shortage' which forced the price of gas to double and even triple in a
> matter of weeks. Overnight, the Arab sheikdoms became billionaires. Here we
> are, forty years later and, somehow, we have an oil GLUT!
> Now how can that
> be??
>
> I'd like to asee a history graph showing the price of a barrel of West
> Texas crude vs. the price of a gallon of oil at any given time? Last time
> oil was $38.50/barrel, as it is now, how much was a gallon of gas? Makes me
> think that even if a barrel of oil was FREE, we'd still pay at least $1.50
> gallon, what with all the taxes, fees and whatnot (not to mention dealing
> with the ethanol we didn't ask for).
>
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Home Consolidated <
> triumphs@consolidated.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline recently which got me to thinking. Has
> > gas ever been this low?
> >
> > An inflation calculator.
> > http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
> tells
> > me that a buck sixty today is the same as $0.21 in 1962, $0.27 in 1970,
> > $0.57 in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I never remember gas >
> prices that low. I remember $0.14 for a week or so during a local gas war >
> in the early sixties and $0.35 was about right in the early 70's, before >
> the first Arab embargo, but otherwise it seems like prices were always a >
> lot higher. In 2005 I remember paying north of
> $4.00 per on the west coast
> > or $4.88 today. I was watching an old tv show (1977) and the station
> sign > said $0.609 or $2.13 today.
> >
> > We must be doing something right.
> >
> > Ken Gano
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >
> > ** triumphs@autox.team.net
> **
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive:
> http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/forzion7@gmail.com
> >
> >
> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20151215/e1bc6e14/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:52:54 -0000
> From: "John Macartney" <john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk>
> To: "'Triumph List'" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
> Message-ID:
> <001001d13759$0b2339d0$2169ad70$@ukpips.org.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On the UK lunchtime news today, we were told that inflation is now half of
> one percent over the last year - and everyone is rejoicing at the price of
> oil at $38 a barrel. Even more rejoicing that gas is now cheaper than it was
> per litre in 2005. Still means a gallon here is rocking out at $6.80 :)
> Blessings come with strange complexions...
>
> Jonmac
>
>
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:00:00 -0500
> From: Dave <dave1massey@cs.com>
> To: triumphs@consolidated.net,
> triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
> Message-ID: <151a6959645-5fcc-152f2@webprd-m47.mail.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Sure, but I think the $1.60 is an outlier. Looking at the GasBuddy site
> the average price over the last 10 years has been more like $2.80. That
> would be equivalent to
> $0.36 in 1962, $0.46 in 1970, $0.97 in 1980, $1.54 in 1990 and $2.03 in
> 2000. Projections are for crude to stay low for a while but that may turn
> out to be a year or two. Many producers can't make money at the current
> rate for crude.
>
>
> Dave Massey
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Home Consolidated <triumphs@consolidated.net>
> To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2015 10:59 pm
> Subject: [TR] Ruminations
>
>
>
> I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline recently which got me to thinking. Has
> gas ever been this low?
>
>
> An inflation calculator.
> http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
> tells me that a buck sixty today is the same as $0.21 in 1962, $0.27 in
> 1970, $0.57 in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I never remember gas
> prices that low. I remember
> $0.14 for a week or so during a local gas war in the early sixties and
> $0.35 was about right in the early 70's, before the first Arab embargo, but
> otherwise it seems like prices were always a lot higher. In 2005 I remember
> paying north of $4.00 per on the west coast or $4.88 today. I was watching
> an old tv show (1977) and the station sign said
> $0.609 or $2.13 today.
>
>
> We must be doing something right.
>
>
> Ken Gano
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> ** triumphs@autox.team.net
> **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com
>
> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20151215/02ffeffb/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:02:35 -0500
> From: Dave <dave1massey@cs.com>
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
> Message-ID: <151a697f713-5fcc-15328@webprd-m47.mail.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Yeah, and another way to look at it is back when Microsoft stock was $21
> and hadn't split yet...
>
> No, a more accurate way to look at it is how many hours do you have to
> work at McDonald's to fill your tank?
>
>
> Dave Massey
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Labuz <yellowtr@adelphia.net>
> To: Joe Curry <spitlist@cox.net>;
> 'Listserv Triumph' <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2015 9:00 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
>
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Another way to look at any price today is this way.
>
> Back when our currency was silver based and a quarter was about
> 1/5th of an oz AG, gas was anywhere from 18 to 25c / gallon. Well
> if you were smart and saved all your dimes, quarters, half dollars
> and silver dollars you could go down to your precious metal dealer
> and sell them 5 quarters (1.25) for about 13 to 14 dollars today. So a
> quarter could get you about 3$ good for about 1.5 gallons up here in
> upstate NY. So if you look at it that way, gas is cheaper today than it
> was in the 60's.
>
> Just goes to show you how much our $ has fallen in 50 years.
>
> Now, I was just in northern CA and drove on US 395 CA, and US 95
> Nevada and I saw prices in the 4.50 to almost 5$ range. This was
> in October. Well over double what I saw on I
> 40 when I got into NM and TX.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20151215/a9dff7ef/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:08:19 -0500
> From: Dave <dave1massey@cs.com>
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
> Message-ID: <151a69d3161-5fcc-1539f@webprd-m47.mail.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Even if crude was free there are still expenses relating to
> transportation, refining, distribution, retailing, etc. Those are costs
> that are not proportional to the price of crude. Just because the price of
> crude has dropped in half (or doubles) don't expect pump prices to change
> that dramatically.
>
>
>
> Dave Massey
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
> To: Home Consolidated <triumphs@consolidated.net>
> Cc: Listserv Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2015 9:56 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
>
>
>
> Ken;
>
>
> I 'love' that. In the '73 Arab Oil embargo, we were told of an 'oil
> shortage' which forced the price of gas to double and even triple in a
> matter of weeks. Overnight, the Arab sheikdoms became billionaires. Here we
> are, forty years later and, somehow, we have an oil GLUT! Now how can that
> be??
>
>
> I'd like to asee a history graph showing the price of a barrel of West
> Texas crude vs. the price of a gallon of oil at any given time? Last time
> oil was $38.50/barrel, as it is now, how much was a gallon of gas? Makes me
> think that even if a barrel of oil was FREE, we'd still pay at least $1.50
> gallon, what with all the taxes, fees and whatnot (not to mention dealing
> with the ethanol we didn't ask for).
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20151215/272da2b9/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:33:22 -0800
> From: "Randall" <TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
> To: "'David Friedlander'" <forzion7@gmail.com>, "'Home Consolidated'"
> <triumphs@consolidated.net>
> Cc: 'Listserv Triumph' <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
> Message-ID: <D4.60.10023.2EE40765@cdptpa-oedge03>
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> > I 'love' that. In the '73 Arab Oil embargo, we were told of > an 'oil
> shortage' which forced the price of gas to double and > even triple in a
> matter of weeks. Overnight, the Arab > sheikdoms became billionaires. Here
> we are, forty years later > and, somehow, we have an oil GLUT! Now how can
> that be??
>
> Until the 73 oil embargo, there were government controls on the wholesale
> price of gasoline. Evidence suggests (to
> me) that the 73
> shortage was engineered by the oil companies, in order to break the price
> controls. Supposedly there were tanker trucks lined up for miles outside
> the tank farms, because the tank farms were full! As I recall, some
> industry exec even got quoted as saying we could have all the gasoline we
> wanted, for $2/gallon.
>
> The glut has many causes, but I'd say chief among them is that the oil
> companies have learned a LOT more since then on how to squeeze more oil out
> of the ground (steam injection, oil shale, fracking, etc) plus how to
> squeeze more gasoline from a barrel of crude. High prices no doubt played
> a part in their investments in those technologies.
>
> There's also the problem that it takes many years between going out to
> hunt for more oil; and actually producing fuel from that oil.
> It's a big, complicated, expensive (and dangerous) business, especially
> for off-shore oil. When prices go up, exploration goes way up. Then when
> all those new wells start producing, there is an over-supply and prices
> drop. Eventually the wells get shut down because they are too expensive to
> run (when compared to the glut prices) and the cycle repeats.
>
> Back in the early 80's, I worked for a company that supplied custom
> computer navigation systems to the oil industry, among others.
> When oil prices were up, we always got a bunch of orders, for systems that
> would be multiple millions of dollars in today's money.
> Peanuts really, when compared to the costs of running an oil exploration
> ship. (I was once told that operating costs for the RV Shell America were
> around $10,000 PER HOUR.) When oil prices collapsed in 1986, my company
> withdrew from that market (closed the division), as there were simply no
> more orders coming in at all. (Fortunately, they had lots of other work, so
> I just changed
> projects.)
>
> Don't get too complacent. The oil boom/bust cycle is not dead and prices
> WILL go back up. I have no doubt we'll be paying close to $5/gallon again.
> It's only a question of when
> http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/100615/will-oil-prices-go-2017.asp
>
> Randall
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:44:10 -0500
> From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
> Cc: Listserv Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
> Message-ID:
>
> <CAO8Q7CNQdy_5kXoHY2apUv5DYj8w5uiN=yOO4V3Fv3+kbRDnfA@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
> wrote:
> > The glut has many causes, but I'd say chief among them is that the oil
> companies have learned a LOT more since then on how to > squeeze more oil
> out of the ground (steam injection, oil shale, fracking, etc) plus how to
> squeeze more gasoline from a barrel of > crude.
>
> Not to mention overall average gasoline consumption per mile. I'm not
> sure how that number has changed over the years...doubled?
> tripled?
>
>
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:58:51 -0500
> From: Bob Labuz <yellowtr@adelphia.net>
> To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>, Triumphs List
> <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
> Message-ID: <567062EB.4080701@adelphia.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Jeff,
>
> Not so sure I agree.
>
> I have made over 30MPG on my 2.2 liter TR3 in the past. 87MM upgrade but
> with the stock 4sp transmission.
> WIth OD, I am sure many have done better.
>
> I average about 25MPG on all my Triumphs, a 3, 4 and 6 just driving to
> car hops etc. No real long range highway mileage. My wife's 4cyl Camry just
> averaged about 35MPG on our trip out West. That is real good, but hardly
> twice my 4CYLs Triumphs. And it is fuel infected etc with many computers
> running the show and a 6 speed transmission. The only computer available
> when I drive a Triumph is in my pocket!
>
> The Camry is heavier I am sure and that engine will last for many more
> miles but mileage has not improved as much as one would expect. I suspect
> some of the problem is alcohol and less bang for the buck in the power in
> todays fuels.
>
> Bob
>
> On 12/15/2015 01:44 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
> wrote:
> >> The glut has many causes, but I'd say chief among them is that the oil
> companies have learned a LOT more since then on how to >> squeeze more oil
> out of the ground (steam injection, oil shale, fracking, etc) plus how to
> squeeze more gasoline from a barrel of >> crude.
> > Not to mention overall average gasoline consumption per mile. I'm not
> > sure how that number has changed over the years...doubled? tripled?
> >
> >
> > Jeff Scarbrough
> > Corrosion Acres, Ga.
> >
> > ** triumphs@autox.team.net
> **
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive:
> http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr@adelphia.net
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Digest Footer
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Triumphs mailing list
> Triumphs@autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 8, Issue 314
> ****************************************
>
> ** triumphs@autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net
>
>
> ** triumphs@autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com
--
Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM
87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/
** triumphs@autox.team.net **
Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe/Manage:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mharc@autox.team.net
|