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I found mine in a box after probably 35 years. They were broken/intermitta=
nt when I put them
away.
I was able to just adjust them back to life and they are still working prob=
ably 10 years later.
Gary
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> On 09/25/2023 2:33 PM PDT Bob Wanty <bobwanty@gmail.com> wrote:
> =20
> =20
> =20
> I found the original horns in a box but they did not work. I might give t=
he Hellas a try
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> > On Sep 25, 2023, at 4:48 PM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> wrote:
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
> > I attempted to repair my original horns but the wiring inside was crumb=
ling. I saved them for a future project. What I installed in my car was a=
pair of Hella dual trumpet horns. You can see them at https://www.summitr=
acing.com/parts/hla-007424801. They come with a relay and they mount up in=
the original locations with the original wiring. I didn't use the relay b=
ut I might go back and add it. I tested them before I installed them and t=
hey were really loud but they didn't seem to be as loud after I installed t=
hem. So I'm guessing that if I rewire them and use the relay I can get mor=
e current to them and have a louder sound.
> > =20
> > Have Fun,
> > Joe Brown
> >=20
> > On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 3:21=E2=80=AFPM GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comca=
st.net mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net> wrote:
> >=20
> > > Most all aftermarket horns have only one terminal or have 2 terminals=
that are both 12V.
> > > There was only one brand that Paul Reisentz found to use.. I wish I c=
ould remember.
> > > I think it was SPAL (the fan guys) but googling I can't find them.
> > > =20
> > > I remember because I dissected a defective original horn for him. Un=
like Theo, I couldn't
> > > see any way to fix that one.
> > > =20
> > > Bob, you will probably need to look for some original horns (that sti=
ll work) or add a relay for the
> > > fans you already have.
> > > Gary W.
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > >=20
> > > > On 09/24/2023 8:08 PM PDT Bob Wanty <bobwanty@gmail.com mailto:bobw=
anty@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > My horns have a single terminal so I will get two terminal horns. T=
he relay idea sounds good.
> > > > Thanks for the help.
> > > > Bob
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > > On Sep 24, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca mailto:tsmi=
t@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > > Hi Bob,
> > > > > =20
> > > > > The wiring diagram here: http://tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt=
-images/MKIABIGwiring.jpg shows two solid purple wires to the horns feeding=
12 volts, and two purple with black stripe wires that are the horn ring co=
nnections. There is no separate jumper wire from one horn to the other; if =
your car has that then it was added by a previous owner.
> > > > > <Screenshot 2023-09-24 at 7.34.26 PM.png>
> > > > > =20
> > > > > But, if the horns already start to sound when you connect just th=
e hot side, then there is an internal short in at least one horn, which is =
not how it's intended to be. if you have an ohm-meter that can measure very=
low resistances then you can take measurements across the two horn termina=
ls and from each terminal to the horn body (or the frame mount). That would=
help you isolate where the wiring problem is.
> > > > > <Screenshot 2023-09-24 at 7.38.18 PM.png>
> > > > > This is a sketch of the high-tone horn. The low-tone horn has an =
L cast into the bell. The two terminals connect (through the wire coil and =
the points) to each other, but there should be no connection to the horn bo=
dy itself. The way you're describing the operation of your horns, connectin=
g one of the terminals to hot causes the horn to go, even if the other wire=
is not connected (or, without pushing the horn ring on the steering wheel)=
.=20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Do both horns work the same way (i.e. they go off when only the h=
ot is connected) or does only one horn do that? If one horn works properly =
(connect the purple wire to one terminal, connect the purple-with-black-str=
ipe wire to the other) then that horn is fine and it's the other one that h=
as an internal short. It can probably be fixed by opening the horn up and f=
iguring out where the short is.
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Theo
> > > > > =20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > > From: "Bob Wanty" <bobwanty@gmail.com mailto:bobwanty@gmail.com>
> > > > > To: "Theo Smit" <tsmit@shaw.ca mailto:tsmit@shaw.ca>
> > > > > Cc: "Tom Witt" <atwittsend@verizon.net mailto:atwittsend@verizon.=
net>, "tigers" <tigers@autox.team.net mailto:tigers@autox.team.net>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 6:41:37 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Horn Wiring
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Thanks for the responses.
> > > > > Everything is wired to the horns, they look original. There are 2=
purple wires to each horn, one is hot from the fuse box the other wire goe=
s to ground when the horn ring is pressed. When I plug the hot wire to the =
horn it works fine, even honks. So the horns must not be original since th=
ey are grounded to the frame. I still have 4 purple wires when I only have=
connections for two and the wiring diagram only shows two wires, one to ea=
ch horn.
> > > > > So should I isolate the horn frame ground, plug the hot wire to t=
he horn, use the existing jumper between the horns and connect the horn rin=
g wire to the other horn?
> > > > >=20
> > > > > On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 1:50=E2=80=AFPM Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca =
mailto:tsmit@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > > > >=20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > Correct except that Rootes (or Lucas) would never use a relay w=
here they could instead pass all the current through a finicky sliding cont=
act.=20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > Bob, the horns, when properly adjusted, draw about three amps e=
ach. It would be a good idea to wire in a cube type relay so that the ring =
contact does not have to pass that much current.=20
> > > > > > If you like I can draw up a wiring diagram for that.=20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > Theo
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > On Sep 23, 2023, at 10:52 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers@aut=
ox.team.net mailto:tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > I believe most horns have a relay and the 12v+ is already at =
said relay. When the horn ring makes contact it GROUNDS the relay (completi=
ng the circuit) and the relay contact points connect. That passes through t=
he 12V+ to the horns. So, typically the horn ring simply grounds the relay =
to activate it. Sorry too late for me to check the manual for Tiger specifi=
cs but MOST cars function that way.
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > Think of yourself standing at a light switch in the house. W=
hen someone presses you on the shoulder (connecting to ground) you and the =
switch act like the relay moving the switch to the on position. This then s=
end power to the light (horn). When the person pressing on your shoulder re=
leases you turn the switch off. Hope that helps.
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > On 9/23/2023 5:59 PM, Robert Wanty wrote:
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > I am working on wiring the horns for the first time since m=
y 15 year restore. I am working with the original wiring harness and horns.=
Starting at the horns there is one on each side with a jumper wire betwee=
n the two horns, there are 2 purple wires leading to each horn, one wire on=
each side is hot and wired to the fuse box the second wire is not hot or =
grounded. I installed a new horn ring from SS and have one wire from the co=
ntact on the horn ring and a second wire for the circle contact off the sig=
nal switch, I think the wire for the circle contact should be hot but I do=
n't seem to have a connector for it in the harness under the dash and nothi=
ng for the wire to the horn ring.
> > > > > > > > It would seem to me that I should have a hot wire to the ri=
ng contact then a hot to the horns when the horn ring is pressed. but the w=
iring harness does not seem to follow that way of thinking.
> > > > > > > > The wiring diagram is some help but as usual my limited kno=
wledge on this will probably start a fire.
> > > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated, I would rather not rewire th=
e circuits so hopefully I can restore the Lucashttp://system.to its origina=
l splendor.
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I found mine in a box after probably 35 years. They were broken/in=
termittant when I put them
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away.
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I was able to just adjust them back to life and they are still working p=
robably 10 years later.
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Gary
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I found the original horns in a box but they did not work. I might give=
the Hellas a try
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On Sep 25, 2023, at 4:48 PM, Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> w=
rote:
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I attempted to repair my original horns but the wiring inside was cru=
mbling. I saved them for a future project. What I installed in =
my car was a pair of Hella dual trumpet horns. You can see them at&nb=
sp;<a href=3D"https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hla-007424801";>https://www=
.summitracing.com/parts/hla-007424801</a>. They come with a relay and=
they mount up in the original locations with the original wiring. I =
didn't use the relay but I might go back and add it. I tested them be=
fore I installed them and they were really loud but they didn't seem to be =
as loud after I installed them. So I'm guessing that if I rewire them=
and use the relay I can get more current to them and have a louder sound.=
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Have Fun,
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Joe Brown
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On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 3:21=E2=80=AFPM GARY WINBLAD <<a href=3D"=
mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net";>garywinblad@comcast.net</a>> wrote:
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Most all aftermarket horns have only one terminal or have 2 termin=
als that are both 12V.
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There was only one brand that Paul Reisentz found to use.. I wish =
I could remember.
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I think it was SPAL (the fan guys) but googling I can't find them.
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I remember because I dissected a defective original horn for him.&=
nbsp; Unlike Theo, I couldn't
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see any way to fix that one.
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Bob, you will probably need to look for some original horns (that =
still work) or add a relay for the
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fans you already have.
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Gary W.
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On 09/24/2023 8:08 PM PDT Bob Wanty <<a href=3D"mailto:bobwant=
y@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">bobwanty@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:
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My horns have a single terminal so I will get two terminal horns.=
The relay idea sounds good.
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Thanks for the help.
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Bob
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On Sep 24, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Theo Smit <<a href=3D"mailto:tsm=
it@shaw.ca" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">tsmit@shaw.ca</a>> wrote:=
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Hi Bob,
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The wiring diagram here: <a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/re=
sources/wsm/tt-images/MKIABIGwiring.jpg" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener"=
>http://tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIABIGwiring.jpg</a> show=
s two solid purple wires to the horns feeding 12 volts, and two purple with=
black stripe wires that are the horn ring connections. There is no separat=
e jumper wire from one horn to the other; if your car has that then it was =
added by a previous owner.
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<Screenshot 2023-09-24 at 7.34.26 PM.png>
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But, if the horns already start to sound when you connect just=
the hot side, then there is an internal short in at least one horn, which =
is not how it's intended to be. if you have an ohm-meter that can measure v=
ery low resistances then you can take measurements across the two horn term=
inals and from each terminal to the horn body (or the frame mount). That wo=
uld help you isolate where the wiring problem is.
</div>=20
<div>=20
<div>
<Screenshot 2023-09-24 at 7.38.18 PM.png>
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This is a sketch of the high-tone horn. The low-tone horn has =
an L cast into the bell. The two terminals connect (through the wire coil a=
nd the points) to each other, but there should be no connection to the horn=
body itself. The way you're describing the operation of your horns, connec=
ting one of the terminals to hot causes the horn to go, even if the other w=
ire is not connected (or, without pushing the horn ring on the steering whe=
el).
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Do both horns work the same way (i.e. they go off when only th=
e hot is connected) or does only one horn do that? If one horn works proper=
ly (connect the purple wire to one terminal, connect the purple-with-black-=
stripe wire to the other) then that horn is fine and it's the other one tha=
t has an internal short. It can probably be fixed by opening the horn up an=
d figuring out where the short is.
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Theo
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<strong>From: </strong>"Bob Wanty" <<a href=3D"mailto:bobwa=
nty@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">bobwanty@gmail.com</a>>=
;=20
<br><strong>To: </strong>"Theo Smit" <<a href=3D"mailto:tsm=
it@shaw.ca" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">tsmit@shaw.ca</a>>=20
<br><strong>Cc: </strong>"Tom Witt" <<a href=3D"mailto:atwi=
ttsend@verizon.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">atwittsend@verizon.n=
et</a>>, "tigers" <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">tigers@autox.team.net</a>>=20
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<br><strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [Tigers] Horn Wiring
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Thanks for the responses.=20
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Everything is wired to the horns, they look original. There=
are 2 purple wires to each horn, one is hot from the fuse box the other wi=
re goes to ground when the horn ring is pressed. When I plug the hot wire t=
o the horn it works fine, even honks. So the horns must not be origin=
al since they are grounded to the frame. I still have 4 purple wires =
when I only have connections for two and the wiring diagram only shows two =
wires, one to each horn.
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So should I isolate the horn frame ground, plug the hot wire=
to the horn, use the existing jumper between the horns and connect the hor=
n ring wire to the other horn?
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On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 1:50=E2=80=AFPM Theo Smit <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:tsmit@shaw.ca"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">tsmit@shaw.ca=
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Correct except that Rootes (or Lucas) would never use a re=
lay where they could instead pass all the current through a finicky sliding=
contact.
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Bob, the horns, when properly adjusted, draw about three a=
mps each. It would be a good idea to wire in a cube type relay so that the =
ring contact does not have to pass that much current.
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If you like I can draw up a wiring diagram for that.
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Theo=20
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On Sep 23, 2023, at 10:52 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">ti=
gers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:=20
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<p>I believe most horns have a relay and the 12v+ is alre=
ady at said relay. When the horn ring makes contact it GROUNDS the relay (c=
ompleting the circuit) and the relay contact points connect. That passes th=
rough the 12V+ to the horns. So, typically the horn ring simply grounds the=
relay to activate it. Sorry too late for me to check the manual for Tiger =
specifics but MOST cars function that way.</p>=20
<p> Think of yourself standing at a light switch in =
the house. When someone presses you on the shoulder (connecting to ground) =
you and the switch act like the relay moving the switch to the on position.=
This then send power to the light (horn). When the person pressing on your=
shoulder releases you turn the switch off. Hope that helps.</p>=20
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I am working on wiring the horns for the first time sin=
ce my 15 year restore. I am working with the original wiring harness and ho=
rns. Starting at the horns there is one on each side with a jumper wi=
re between the two horns, there are 2 purple wires leading to each horn, on=
e wire on each side is hot and wired to the fuse box the second wire =
is not hot or grounded. I installed a new horn ring from SS and have one wi=
re from the contact on the horn ring and a second wire for the circle conta=
ct off the signal switch, I think the wire for the circle contact should be=
hot but I don't seem to have a connector for it in the harness under=
the dash and nothing for the wire to the horn ring.=20
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It would seem to me that I should have a hot wire to t=
he ring contact then a hot to the horns when the horn ring is pressed. but =
the wiring harness does not seem to follow that way of thinking.=20
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The wiring diagram is some help but as usual my limit=
ed knowledge on this will probably start a fire.
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Any help would be appreciated, I would rather no=
t rewire the circuits so hopefully I can restore the Lucas <a href=3D"http:=
//system.to" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">system.to</a> its original =
splendor.
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Bob
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