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Go GT and you won=E2=80=99t have to worry about it. =20
For most tops, by the time the plastic goes bad, probably need a new top any=
way.=20
FWIW on my 18 year old Boxster top, I have routinely cleaned it with Plexu=
s and it is still good. =20
> On Feb 27, 2019, at 11:22 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>=
wrote:
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> If I remember right the MGB had a window that zipped on the top and sides.=
Could be left down for a nice breeze through the car.
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> In a message dated 2/27/2019 2:03:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@auto=
x.team.net writes:
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> Doug Robbins (who designed the soft top for the Tiger) says adding a zippe=
r to the current design would lead to wrinkles in the top. The entire desig=
n would have to be changed in order to properly support a zipper soft top.=20=
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> From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael k=
ing via Tigers
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 2:19 AM
> To: Rob Hogan
> Cc: Tiger's List
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Convertible Top's Plastic Window
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> =20
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> A big reason that they all have plastic windows is quite obvious by the sh=
ot of the very early volks convertible... they have a VERY small rear window=
and the tops folded down like a pram sitting on the back of the car.
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>=20
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> While some modern cars have split glass rear windows in the tops so the gl=
ass can fold into a smaller space.. glass generally needs to remain flat and=
not be forced into a small space when folded.
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> You could probably make a Sunbeam with a zip-out window like some MX5's (m=
iata) or some other more modern convertibles.. but size, folding mechanism a=
nd likelihood of impact are main reasons they are not often used.
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> On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 17:12, Rob Hogan via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>=
wrote:
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> In a Facebook Jalopnik article, author Jason Torchinsky expounds on "Why W=
as This OK" in reference to the application of substandard plastic rear wind=
ows in convertible tops of almost every auto manufacturer except VW.
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> As he explains: " No matter how amazing or expensive or well-built the car=
one of these plastic windows was stuck on, sooner or later the window would=
cloud up and get filthy and more and more opaque, until eventually it=E2=80=
=99d yellow and crack" and "But there=E2=80=99s also questions for the conve=
rtible-buying population of the time, specifically, why did anyone put up wi=
th this s***?"
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> Having recently replaced my own Tiger's convertible perfectly useable top s=
pecifically because of a no longer transparent rear plastic window, I'd like=
to know if there is even the option of having the rear window replaced with=
a new glass or plastic window. I would have gladly paid extra for a top wi=
thout a deficient plastic window.
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Go G=
T and you won=E2=80=99t have to worry about it. </div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">For most tops, by the time the plastic goes bad,=
probably need a new top anyway. </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">FWIW on my 18 year old Boxster top, I have routinely clean=
ed it with Plexus and it is still good. </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On =
Feb 27, 2019, at 11:22 AM, coolvt--- via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers=
@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquo=
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<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12=
pt; color: #000000;">If I remember right the MGB had a window that zipped on=
the top and sides. Could be left down for a nice breeze through the car.</s=
pan></div>
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ilto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a> writes:
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<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;">Doug R=
obbins (who designed the soft top for the Tiger) says adding a zipper to the=
current design would lead to wrinkles in the top. The entire design w=
ould have to be changed in order to properly support a zipper soft top. =
; </span></p>
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p;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt=
;">From:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;"> Tigers [<a href=3D=
"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net<=
/a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>michael king via Tigers<br clear=3D"none"=
><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, February 27, 2019 2:19 AM<br clear=3D"non=
e"><strong>To:</strong> Rob Hogan<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Cc:</strong> Tig=
er's List<br clear=3D"none"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] Convertib=
le Top's Plastic Window</span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">A big reason that they all have plastic w=
indows is quite obvious by the shot of the very early volks convertible... t=
hey have a VERY small rear window and the tops folded down like a pram sitti=
ng on the back of the car.</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">While some modern cars have split glass r=
ear windows in the tops so the glass can fold into a smaller space.. glass g=
enerally needs to remain flat and not be forced into a small space when fold=
ed.</p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">You could probably make a Sunbeam with a=
zip-out window like some MX5's (miata) or some other more modern convertibl=
es.. but size, folding mechanism and likelihood of impact are main reasons t=
hey are not often used.</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 17:12, Rob Hogan v=
ia Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:=
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">In a Facebook Jalopnik article, author J=
ason Torchinsky expounds on "Why Was This OK" in reference to the applicatio=
n of substandard plastic rear windows in convertible tops of almost every au=
to manufacturer except VW.</p>
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<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">As he explains: " No matter how amazing o=
r expensive or well-built the car one of these plastic windows was stuck on,=
sooner or later the window would cloud up and get filthy and more and more o=
paque, until eventually it=E2=80=99d yellow and crack" and "But there=E2=80=99=
s also questions for the convertible-buying population of the time, specific=
ally, why did anyone put up with this s***?"</p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"yiv7546316654MsoNormal">Having recently replaced my own Tiger's c=
onvertible perfectly useable top specifically because of a no longer transpa=
rent rear plastic window, I'd like to know if there is even the option of ha=
ving the rear window replaced with a new glass or plastic window. I wo=
uld have gladly paid extra for a top without a deficient plastic window.</p>=
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