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Ok, folks, you win. I think I will drop off of the list. I have been on =
it since the early 90s and have unfortunately seen the list degrade from =
something that actually meant something to car owners to this useless =
bandwidth wasting nonsense.=20
=20
mayf
=20
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom =
Witt via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 10:35 AM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level report
=20
Ron,
First, thank you for the labor in doing this. For those who are strict =
and precise it seems like a chassis jig is your only hope! (LOL)
=20
It would be interesting to know (not asking, just musing) what amount of =
the 4 quarts in the pan reduces due to pudding/clinking, oil passages =
and what does and doesn=E2=80=99t drain back from the filter. I am also =
curious, what, if any of the 4 quarts went outside the sump area. By =
that I mean did the oil height extend into the broader area of the pan. =
If it did then I=E2=80=99d estimate that volume increases 1-1/2 to 2 =
times once the oil reaches that point for a given dip stick rise amount.
=20
I learned about the angle issue the hard way. I did an engine swap and =
to get the engine started dumped in (the only) 3 quarts of synthetic oil =
I had. The car started fine and I had good oil pressure idling. I shut =
it down and worked on other areas. Months later when the car was driven =
I would find that as the car warmed up - the oil pressure dropped. I =
checked the dip stick and making a mental compensation for the driveway =
angle felt the level was sufficient. I mean, after all, I had put in 5 =
quarts (I thought) months ago. It was only after seeking exceptionally =
level ground and factoring for the significant 6-7 degree rearward angle =
of the engine (350 Chevy in a 64 Studebaker in case you are wondering) =
that in fact I was 2 full quarts low! The good news is that no damage =
appeared to be done and in this case the repair was made with a funnel.
=20
I still think that the best thing to do is an oil change (on level =
ground), warm the engine up, shut off and see where the dipstick level =
is after sitting a few minutes. A file or Dremel tool can then be used =
to notch the stick. I then use the add/full range as a rough visual =
guide as it relates to the new mark.
=20
Tom
=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:42 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level report
=20
I set up a fixture - 289 oil pan, timing cover and oil pump with pick up
=20
I used my 260 Tiger dipstick and tube. The end of this dipstick is =
about 1/2" off the bottom of the oil pan.
=20
Leveled fixture front to back, side to side
=20
2qt - level is at ADD line
3qt - level is 1/4" below FULL line
4qt - level is at the top L of FULL
=20
Tiger oil lines hold about 4 oz
=20
I calculated the volume for oil filters - actual fluid measurements =
probably vary
Fram PH8A =3D 49.214 cu in =3D 27.27 oz =3D 1.7 pt ( 1.7 + .25 =3D =
1.95 pt) almost 1qt
Fram PH3600 =3D 34.289 cu in =3D 18.99 oz =3D 1.18 pt
=20
I measured the angle of my Tiger engine at 2 degrees tilted down at =
front
I measured the angle of my 1988 Mustang engine at 4 degrees tilted down =
at back
=20
Tilt test
2 degree front 3qt - level is at FULL line
4qt - level is 1/16" below Ford logo oval
=20
5 degree back 3qt - level is 1/4" above ADD line or just below mid =
line
4qt - level is 1/8" below FULL line
=20
I never think the tilt of the engine would mean so much but there you =
have it - Tilt means everything with respect to the dipstick.
=20
Ron Fraser
=20
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ok, folks, you win. I think I will drop off of =
the list. I have been on it since the early 90s and have unfortunately =
seen the list degrade from something that actually meant something to =
car owners to this useless bandwidth wasting nonsense. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>mayf<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom =
Witt via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 21, 2015 10:35 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> tigers@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] =
Dipstick and oil level report<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Ron,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>First, thank you =
for the labor in doing this. For those who are strict and precise it =
seems like a chassis jig is your only hope! =
(LOL)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>It would be =
interesting to know (not asking, just musing) what amount of the 4 =
quarts in the pan reduces due to pudding/clinking, oil passages and what =
does and doesn=E2=80=99t drain back from the filter. I am also curious, =
what, if any of the 4 quarts went outside the sump area. By that I mean =
did the oil height extend into the broader area of the pan. If it did =
then I=E2=80=99d estimate that volume increases 1-1/2 to 2 times once =
the oil reaches that point for a given dip stick rise =
amount.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I learned about =
the angle issue the hard way. I did an engine swap and to get the engine =
started dumped in (the only) 3 quarts of synthetic oil I had. The car =
started fine and I had good oil pressure idling. I shut it down and =
worked on other areas. Months later when the car was driven I would find =
that as the car warmed up - the oil pressure dropped. I checked the dip =
stick and making a mental compensation for the driveway angle felt the =
level was sufficient. I mean, after all, I had put in 5 quarts (I =
thought) months ago. It was only after seeking exceptionally =
level ground and factoring for the significant 6-7 degree rearward angle =
of the engine (350 Chevy in a 64 Studebaker in case you are wondering) =
that in fact I was 2 full quarts low! The good news is that no =
damage appeared to be done and in this case the repair was made with a =
funnel.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I still think =
that the best thing to do is an oil change (on level ground), warm the =
engine up, shut off and see where the dipstick level is after sitting a =
few minutes. A file or Dremel tool can then be used to notch the =
stick. I then use the add/full range as a rough visual guide as it =
relates to the new mark.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Tom<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Fr=
om:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
title=3D"tigers@autox.team.net">Ron Fraser via Tigers</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Se=
nt:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:42 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To=
:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net"; =
title=3D"tigers@Autox.Team.Net">tigers@Autox.Team.Net</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Su=
bject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
[Tigers] Dipstick and oil level =
report<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
set up a fixture - 289 oil pan, timing cover and oil pump with pick =
up</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
used my 260 Tiger dipstick and tube. The end of this =
dipstick is about 1/2" off the bottom of the oil pan.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Lev=
eled fixture front to back, side to side</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>2qt=
- level is at ADD line</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>3qt=
- level is 1/4" below FULL line</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>4qt=
- level is at the top L of FULL</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tig=
er oil lines hold about 4 oz</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
calculated the volume for oil filters - actual fluid measurements =
probably vary</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fra=
m PH8A =3D 49.214 cu in =3D 27.27 oz =3D 1.7 pt ( 1.7 =
+ .25 =3D 1.95 pt) almost 1qt</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fra=
m PH3600 =3D 34.289 cu in =3D 18.99 oz =3D 1.18 pt</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
measured the angle of my Tiger engine at 2 degrees tilted down at =
front</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
measured the angle of my 1988 Mustang engine at 4 degrees tilted down at =
back</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Til=
t test</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>2 =
degree front 3qt - level is at =
FULL line</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp; &nbs=
p;  =
; 4qt - level is 1/16" below Ford logo oval</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>5 =
degree back 3qt - level is 1/4" above ADD line or =
just below mid line</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp; &nbs=
p; 4qt - =
level is 1/8" below FULL line</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
never think the tilt of the engine would mean so much but there you have =
it - Tilt means everything with respect to the dipstick.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Ron=
Fraser</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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