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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OEM Spark Plugs
From: Thomas Coradeschi <tjcora@icloud.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 08:45:22 -0400
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Iâ??ve been in the production mgt business long enough to be very confident in 
asserting that Honda does no additional testing of any sort. They buy from NGK 
- in a â??Hondaâ?? box - on a certificate of conformance and get on with life. 
After applying the appropriate 458% markup, of course.

â??
Tom Coradeschi
tjcora@icloud.com


> On 22 Oct 2021, at 10:44 AM, MIQ MILLMAN <miq@bigllama.com> wrote:
> 
> Honda likely performs another round of quality control and tests the NGK 
> plugs to make certain that they meet the needed criteria, and then brand them 
> as Honda white boxed plugs.  I am not saying the added cost is justified.
> 
> If you go with the generic NGK you will most likely get the same thing (who's 
> to say NGK quality control is any better than Honda's (or vice versa)?) 
> 
> This is similar to what Intel does with CPU's-- they test all the chips off a 
> wafer, and the ones that don't meet the needed spec get resold as lower spec, 
> slower CPU.
> 
> Personally, I can't imagine that there is going to be a noticeable difference 
> in the spark output from a $12 NGK to a $40 HNGK.
> 
> 
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> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 4:42 AM Thomas Coradeschi <tjcora@icloud.com> wrote:
> You are spot on with this. There is no point in paying Honda an insane 
> premium for parts which they clearly source from someone else. Of course, 
> Iâ??m old enough to think that even 18 bucks for a spark plug is highway 
> robbery:-)
> 
> Tom Coradeschi
> tjcora@icloud.com
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2021, at 7:42 PM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My 2017 Honda Ridgeline is approaching its 105,000 mile service, which is 
>> a big one.  New timing belt is the main event, but Honda also recommends new 
>> spark plugs.  I did the timing belt on my old Ridgeline at 220,000 (itâ??s 
>> 3rd belt) but it was a PITA and I donâ??t think I want to take any chances 
>> on a newer, more valuable vehicle.  Spark plugs are a different story and 
>> the dealer gets over $300 to do those!
>> 
>> The reason changing plugs is so expensive is Hondaâ??s price for the plugs 
>> themselves.  They list at $55 each, although you can get them discounted for 
>> the low, low price of about $40 each if you shop around.  
>> https://www.hondapartsconnection.com/oem-parts/honda-spark-plug-dilzkr7b11g-ngk-12290r9pa01
>>   But, here is where it gets interesting: The ownerâ??s manual lists the 
>> plugs as NGK DILZKR7B11G, a number you can clearly see on the Honda box in 
>> the above link.  NGK lists that plug as $18 each 
>> (https://www.ngk.com/ngk-95350-dilzkr7b11g-laser-iridium-spark-plug) and you 
>> can find them at Rock Auto for about $12.
>> 
>> Ridgeline owners seem to be divided as to whether the plugs in the NGK box 
>> are any different from the ones in the Honda box.  I trust this group more 
>> than fellow Ridgeline owners.  What do you guys say?  Are the plugs in the 
>> Honda box likely to be different and worth an extra $170?
>> 
>> Jim
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