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To: 'john niolon' <jniolon@att.net>, 'shop-talk' <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the gurus
From: Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:01:31 -0500
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You might also look for either an adjustable fitting that has a rubber =
seal in it that is used to repair broken/leaking pipes. They have nuts =
on the ends that you tighten until the rubber insert clamps down tight =
enough to seal to the pipe. Be sure to check the pressure rating on the =
fitting.

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Another thing that might work is a fitting called a =E2=80=9CShark =
Bite=E2=80=9D. They are intended to work on PEX pipe, hold pressure & =
are used on copper pipe also. Don=E2=80=99t know the play in the =
fitting. I=E2=80=99ve used Shark Bites & have had some trouble with them =
leaking after some time. I wouldn=E2=80=99t put any in locations where =
they are hidden.

=20

BTW, I=E2=80=99ve used deep sockets to swage refrigeration tubing so =
that it would fit over the same size tubing to join two pieces without =
using a coupling. Lucked out that I had a socket the right size!

=20

Peace,

Pat

=20

From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
john niolon
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:08 PM
To: shop-talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the gurus

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When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install a =
3/4=E2=80=9D water line to the shop and cap it off.  I was going to put =
in the sink and the outside faucet when I got time.  Well,  this week I =
got time

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I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry =
fitting the plumbing for sink/faucet.  The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on =
the tubing.  I cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit =
over the tubing.  It looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least =
that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s coming up thru the concrete.  I tried =
several fittings and even cut the tubing lower to see if it was crimped =
or out of round...  it mic=E2=80=99d the same all the way around it in =
several places

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I mic=E2=80=99d the tubing and the fitting and here=E2=80=99s the =
results

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tubing i.d. is  .882=E2=80=9D which is just over 7/8=E2=80=9D

tubing o.d. is  .900=E2=80=9D  which is just under 29/32=E2=80=9D

=20

a new standard Tee i.d.is .876=E2=80=9D   which ain=E2=80=99t gonna fit =
over .900

=20

if I can find one fitting to get this to standard 3/4=E2=80=9D size =
I=E2=80=99m good to go...

=20

did the old stuff differ from todays standard =E2=80=9C

after researching fittings a little I see that there are several =
=E2=80=98types=E2=80=9D of fittings.... from plumbing to hvac to =
whatever...

=20

anyone wanna try and give me some guidance here... the net is confusing =
and offers little on actual dimensions


thanks

john


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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>You might also look for either an adjustable fitting that has a =
rubber seal in it that is used to repair broken/leaking pipes. They have =
nuts on the ends that you tighten until the rubber insert clamps down =
tight enough to seal to the pipe. Be sure to check the pressure rating =
on the fitting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Another thing that might work is a fitting called a =E2=80=9CShark =
Bite=E2=80=9D. They are intended to work on PEX pipe, hold pressure =
&amp; are used on copper pipe also. Don=E2=80=99t know the play in the =
fitting. I=E2=80=99ve used Shark Bites &amp; have had some trouble with =
them leaking after some time. I wouldn=E2=80=99t put any in locations =
where they are hidden.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>BTW, I=E2=80=99ve used deep sockets to swage refrigeration tubing so =
that it would fit over the same size tubing to join two pieces without =
using a coupling. Lucked out that I had a socket the right =
size!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Peace,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Pat<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>john niolon<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:08 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> shop-talk<br><b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] need some =
copper plumbing help from the gurus<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>When we built =
my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install a 3/4=E2=80=9D =
water line to the shop and cap it off.&nbsp; I was going to put in the =
sink and the outside faucet when I got time.&nbsp; Well,&nbsp; this week =
I got time<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I cut the cap =
off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry fitting the plumbing =
for sink/faucet.&nbsp; The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on the tubing.&nbsp; =
I cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit over the =
tubing.&nbsp; It looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least =
that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s coming up thru the concrete.&nbsp; I tried =
several fittings and even cut the tubing lower to see if it was crimped =
or out of round...&nbsp; it mic=E2=80=99d the same all the way around it =
in several places<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I mic=E2=80=99d =
the tubing and the fitting and here=E2=80=99s the =
results<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>tubing i.d. =
is&nbsp; .882=E2=80=9D which is just over =
7/8=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>tubing o.d. =
is&nbsp; .900=E2=80=9D&nbsp; which is just under =
29/32=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>a new standard =
Tee i.d.is .876=E2=80=9D&nbsp;&nbsp; which ain=E2=80=99t gonna fit over =
.900<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>if I can find =
one fitting to get this to standard 3/4=E2=80=9D size I=E2=80=99m good =
to go...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>did the old =
stuff differ from todays standard =
=E2=80=9C<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>after =
researching fittings a little I see that there are several =
=E2=80=98types=E2=80=9D of fittings.... from plumbing to hvac to =
whatever...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>anyone wanna =
try and give me some guidance here... the net is confusing and offers =
little on actual dimensions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br>thanks<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>john<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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