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John, I don=E2=80=99t recall having trouble with old tubing/pipe & new =
fittings.=20
=20
I just looked up the O.D. of =C2=BE=E2=80=9D pipe & tubing for water & =
it shows to be 1/8=E2=80=9D larger than what the pipe is called, so that =
would be 0.825=E2=80=9D.=20
=20
There is another system of copper tubing intended for A/C use. The =
diameters for this tubing is the same as the call size, so 7/8=E2=80=9D =
tubing would measure 0.875=E2=80=9D.=20
=20
I don=E2=80=99t have access to detailed metric charts but it seems that =
the call size in MM is the same as the external diameter. 0.9=E2=80=9D =
is just under 23MM, but I don=E2=80=99t see that there is an actual 23MM =
tubing on the market.
=20
If it is possible that the pipe was full of water & froze, the pipe =
could have expanded that 0.025=E2=80=9D I=E2=80=99ve had that happen =
when I was in Denver decades ago.
=20
I don=E2=80=99t know what you have, but with only about 0.025=E2=80=9D =
that the fitting would need to be stretched, you might be able to do =
that with a swaging tool, or make something that will do the job.
=20
You might want to check with an old plumber to see what he/she knows.
=20
Are there any markings or brand on the cap you cut off?
=20
Where are you located?
=20
Good luck.
=20
Peace,
Pat
=20
From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
john niolon
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:08 PM
To: shop-talk
Subject: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the gurus
=20
When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install a =
3/4=E2=80=9D water line to the shop and cap it off. I was going to put =
in the sink and the outside faucet when I got time. Well, this week I =
got time
=20
I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry =
fitting the plumbing for sink/faucet. The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on =
the tubing. I cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit =
over the tubing. It looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least =
that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s coming up thru the concrete. I tried =
several fittings and even cut the tubing lower to see if it was crimped =
or out of round... it mic=E2=80=99d the same all the way around it in =
several places
=20
I mic=E2=80=99d the tubing and the fitting and here=E2=80=99s the =
results
=20
tubing i.d. is .882=E2=80=9D which is just over 7/8=E2=80=9D
tubing o.d. is .900=E2=80=9D which is just under 29/32=E2=80=9D
=20
a new standard Tee i.d.is .876=E2=80=9D which ain=E2=80=99t gonna fit =
over .900
=20
if I can find one fitting to get this to standard 3/4=E2=80=9D size =
I=E2=80=99m good to go...
=20
did the old stuff differ from todays standard =E2=80=9C
after researching fittings a little I see that there are several =
=E2=80=98types=E2=80=9D of fittings.... from plumbing to hvac to =
whatever...
=20
anyone wanna try and give me some guidance here... the net is confusing =
and offers little on actual dimensions
thanks
john
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>John, I don=E2=80=99t recall having trouble with old tubing/pipe =
& new fittings. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I just looked up the O.D. of =C2=BE=E2=80=9D pipe & tubing for =
water & it shows to be 1/8=E2=80=9D larger than what the pipe is =
called, so that would be 0.825=E2=80=9D. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>There is another system of copper tubing intended for A/C use. The =
diameters for this tubing is the same as the call size, so 7/8=E2=80=9D =
tubing would measure 0.875=E2=80=9D. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I don=E2=80=99t have access to detailed metric charts but it seems =
that the call size in MM is the same as the external diameter. =
0.9=E2=80=9D is just under 23MM, but I don=E2=80=99t see that there is =
an actual 23MM tubing on the market.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If it is possible that the pipe was full of water & froze, the =
pipe could have expanded that 0.025=E2=80=9D I=E2=80=99ve had that =
happen when I was in Denver decades ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I don=E2=80=99t know what you have, but with only about =
0.025=E2=80=9D that the fitting would need to be stretched, you might be =
able to do that with a swaging tool, or make something that will do the =
job.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>You might want to check with an old plumber to see what he/she =
knows.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Are there any markings or brand on the cap you cut =
off?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Where are you located?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Good luck.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Peace,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Pat<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>john niolon<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:08 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> shop-talk<br><b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] need some =
copper plumbing help from the gurus<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>When we built =
my house/shop 25 years ago I had the plumber install a 3/4=E2=80=9D =
water line to the shop and cap it off. I was going to put in the =
sink and the outside faucet when I got time. Well, this week =
I got time<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I cut the cap =
off and test fitted a 3/4=E2=80=9D Tee to start dry fitting the plumbing =
for sink/faucet. The Tee wouldn=E2=80=99t fit on the tubing. =
I cleaned it well but the Tee was still too small to fit over the =
tubing. It looks like he used coiled tubing, or at least =
that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s coming up thru the concrete. I tried =
several fittings and even cut the tubing lower to see if it was crimped =
or out of round... it mic=E2=80=99d the same all the way around it =
in several places<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I mic=E2=80=99d =
the tubing and the fitting and here=E2=80=99s the =
results<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>tubing i.d. =
is .882=E2=80=9D which is just over =
7/8=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>tubing o.d. =
is .900=E2=80=9D which is just under =
29/32=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>a new standard =
Tee i.d.is .876=E2=80=9D which ain=E2=80=99t gonna fit over =
.900<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>if I can find =
one fitting to get this to standard 3/4=E2=80=9D size I=E2=80=99m good =
to go...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>did the old =
stuff differ from todays standard =
=E2=80=9C<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>after =
researching fittings a little I see that there are several =
=E2=80=98types=E2=80=9D of fittings.... from plumbing to hvac to =
whatever...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>anyone wanna =
try and give me some guidance here... the net is confusing and offers =
little on actual dimensions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br>thanks<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>john<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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